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From: Grimly Curmudgeon on 18 Jun 2010 20:43
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Ian Jackson
<ianREMOVETHISjackson(a)g3ohx.demon.co.uk> saying something like:

>>However many RoW are in fact just short cuts people have used for 20-50
>>or so years and are not actually RoW. We have one behind us that became
>>a path 20 years ago when a drain was laid. Now due to fires and
>>vandalism it is going to be fenced off and we have people convinced it
>>is a public RoW and trying to stop the (re) fencing
>>
>That looks like one for uk.legal or uk.legal.moderated. How long does a
>path have to have unrestricted or unopposed access to in order for it to
>become a RoW?

Istr it was 25 years or something along those lines, bicbw.
Ah, it's 20 years in England.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_of_way_in_England_and_Wales
See section "Creation of New Public Rights of Way".
From: Chris H on 19 Jun 2010 06:44
In message <Xns9D9CC6ABA493C9A7(a)127.0.0.1>, Gordon Freeman
<Gordon(a)freeman.invalid> writes
>Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson(a)g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> How long does a
>> path have to have unrestricted or unopposed access to in order for it to
>> become a RoW?
>
>I think it's 25 years. To prevent it I think you need to close the path at
>least one day a year (though that's probably just a rule of thumb). At some
>point someone should ask for the path to be added to the Definitive Map so
>it would get marked as a public path on OS maps etc. I'm not sure what the
>procedure for that is, but that would be the point at which it was
>confirmed that it was indisputably a right of way.
>
Well we are going to block it anyway way. I and our neigbours have
lost 3 hedges in the last 4 years and there fires in the last week.
(apart from everything else)
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From: Grimly Curmudgeon on 19 Jun 2010 06:59
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> saying
something like:

>Well we are going to block it anyway way. I and our neigbours have
>lost 3 hedges in the last 4 years and there fires in the last week.
>(apart from everything else)

Better do it now, in that case and hope nobody around there has proof
that it's been in use for even a day over 20 years.
From: Chris H on 20 Jun 2010 07:20
In message <nn8p16hsficb0jl04va55ckop9vhlruuud(a)4ax.com>, Grimly
Curmudgeon <grimly4REMOVE(a)REMOVEgmail.com> writes
>We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>drugs began to take hold. I remember Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> saying
>something like:
>
>>Well we are going to block it anyway way. I and our neigbours have
>>lost 3 hedges in the last 4 years and there fires in the last week.
>>(apart from everything else)
>
>Better do it now, in that case and hope nobody around there has proof
>that it's been in use for even a day over 20 years.

We intend to. Though at one end a fence had to be broken to gain
access... the fence was put up 10 years ago when Some drain work was
done. So we are some way off the 20 years and it was criminal damage
that caused the access.


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From: cynic on 4 Jul 2010 13:52
On 13 June, 13:38, "john hamiliton" <bluest...(a)mail.invalid> wrote:
> "Bruce" <docnews2...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d9nu06dq8ns0bqj1s2eucg1tvj40hc6uin(a)4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 23:14:05 +0100, "Trev" <trev...(a)hotmail.com
> > invalid> wrote:
>
> >>"Gordon Freeman" <Gor...(a)freeman.invalid> wrote in message
> >>news:Xns9D91E34FE9034C9A7(a)127.0.0.1...
> >>> Today's Law in Action on BBC Radio 4 was very interesting, covering both
> >>> the issues of photographers right to take pictures in a public place,
> >>> and
> >>> also CCTV and the police photographing political demonstrators and the
> >>> legal implications all round re. data protectin, human rights, right of
> >>> privacy etc. A number of legal experts in these fields were interviewed,
> >>> along with senior police officers and human rights advocates.
>
> >>> You can get this programme as an MP3 file (podcast) from
> >>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/law
>
> >>> The programme starts with the presenter accompanying an architectural
> >>> photographer as he attempts to photograph a London office building, with
> >>> the (by now) predictable result!
>
> >>> --
> >> Lots of the Buildings in London have been copyrighted by the architects
> >> so
> >>that they can have control over how or if photos of it are published. So
> >>it
> >>would be quiet within the rights of security to point out that you can not
> >>Photograph it. And this goes back over 20 to thirty years.
>
> > Complete nonsense!
>
> > 1. The design of a building is automatically the copyright of the
> > architect, or of whoever commissioned the architect, depending on the
> > architect's contract of engagement.
>
> > 2. There is an absolute right to photograph anything, including
> > buildings and people, from a public right of way.  The only exceptions
> > to this are specific defence installations.
>
> ============================================================
>
> Apparently 'rights of way' have been frequently disappearing between new
> building developments. Paths once public are now under the control of the
> security guards...........sigh- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Only if you back down to them! As with all pseudo uniformed clowns
they will try it on but run a mile from someone with the knowledge to
call their bluff.
I was for a number of years the Works Engineer of a plant on the banks
of the Yorkshire Ouse which eventually closed down. A few years later
I was walking along the public footpath on the river bank and one of
these comedians came out of the buildings and tried to tell me I was
not allowed to walk there. WRONG VICTIM for him! He crept away after a
tongue lashing.
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