From: Chris Malcolm on
In rec.photo.digital tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:29:31 -0400, ASAAR <caught(a)22.com> wrote:

>> As long as there's demand for pro photographers shooting MF and
>>larger, I think that there'll be at least a few labs that use
>>enlargers. My guess is that most by now scan the film and print
>>digitally, and that's all that I've seen in local labs for the last
>>10 years or so. Anyone that still shoots film probably knows a lot
>>more about this.

> At the Orlando Camera Club, they have monthly competitions. The
> categories are color prints, color slides, monochrome print, and
> digital (on-line). Several of the members are still using film. One
> of the most proficient members shoots nothing but medium format.

> The digital group was added only recently. While the color print and
> monochrome print category can be captured by digital cameras, the
> members who always seem to get the highest score in the judging are
> shooting film. I'm not inferring that the get the highest scores
> because they are using film, though.

Do the judges know in advance when film is being used? It's surprising
how much unconscious prejudice can be found operating in areas where
the folk concerned are quite convinced it isn't, e.g. the well known
case of exam marking.

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IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
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From: Dudley Hanks on

"Chris Malcolm" <cam(a)holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:6f8e8uFa52k7U1(a)mid.individual.net...
> In rec.photo.digital tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:29:31 -0400, ASAAR <caught(a)22.com> wrote:
>
>>> As long as there's demand for pro photographers shooting MF and
>>>larger, I think that there'll be at least a few labs that use
>>>enlargers. My guess is that most by now scan the film and print
>>>digitally, and that's all that I've seen in local labs for the last
>>>10 years or so. Anyone that still shoots film probably knows a lot
>>>more about this.
>
>> At the Orlando Camera Club, they have monthly competitions. The
>> categories are color prints, color slides, monochrome print, and
>> digital (on-line). Several of the members are still using film. One
>> of the most proficient members shoots nothing but medium format.
>
>> The digital group was added only recently. While the color print and
>> monochrome print category can be captured by digital cameras, the
>> members who always seem to get the highest score in the judging are
>> shooting film. I'm not inferring that the get the highest scores
>> because they are using film, though.
>
> Do the judges know in advance when film is being used? It's surprising
> how much unconscious prejudice can be found operating in areas where
> the folk concerned are quite convinced it isn't, e.g. the well known
> case of exam marking.
>
> --
> Chris Malcolm cam(a)infirmatics.ed.ac.uk D

Recently, I was quite surprised after having some friends do a photo
comparison for me.

I showed them two shots I had done. One was an 11" x 14" print I had made
several years ago. It was made from a slide shot I had developed and
printed using Ilfachrome paper and chemicals. This shot was taken using a
fine grain slide film and was shot in my old A2 camera. When I printed it,
there was very little cropping involved. The other picture was taken with
my Canon Powershot A720 IS camera and printed using an inkjet printer. The
image had been cropped substantially,, and it too was printed on 11" x 14"
paper. The subject matter, while not identical, was similar.

The majority opinion of the people I asked like the image captured by the
A720 better than the earlier one that had been captured and printed using
conventional methods.

While this test was completely unscientific (the digital workflow included
some Photoshop processing while the film workflow only minor dodging and
filters), it was still a bit of an eye-opener. So much for my long-held
prejudice against digital...

Take Care,
Dudley


From: tony cooper on
On 29 Jul 2008 11:46:38 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam(a)holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
wrote:

>> At the Orlando Camera Club, they have monthly competitions. The
>> categories are color prints, color slides, monochrome print, and
>> digital (on-line). Several of the members are still using film. One
>> of the most proficient members shoots nothing but medium format.
>
>> The digital group was added only recently. While the color print and
>> monochrome print category can be captured by digital cameras, the
>> members who always seem to get the highest score in the judging are
>> shooting film. I'm not inferring that the get the highest scores
>> because they are using film, though.
>
>Do the judges know in advance when film is being used?

Not that I know of.

> It's surprising
>how much unconscious prejudice can be found operating in areas where
>the folk concerned are quite convinced it isn't, e.g. the well known
>case of exam marking.

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: Neil Harrington on

"Rita Berkowitz" <ritaberk2008(a)aol.com> wrote in message
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> Neil Harrington wrote:
>
>> OK, thanks. I'll still need to get a large, really sturdy box of some
>> kind. That's the sort of thing I thought Staples might have.
>
> Dumpster diving time! You need a good sturdy wardrobe box. They are
> extremely strong, durable, and are easily cut down to size. Check some of
> the apartment complexes or universities in your area and they will save
> all
> you want free of charge.

Thanks. But after checking eBay I've sort of changed my mind anyway. I saw a
Leitz Focomat at $150 and only one bid (a Leitz Focomat!), and about 14
hours to go when I looked at it. Others like a nice Beseler or two with no
bids at all. Interest in enlargers seems to be even lower than I expected .
So I don't think I'll bother -- my local community college still has
photography classes using 35mm, and I think I'll just give the Durst to
them. But thanks anyway.

Neil


From: tony cooper on
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:39:34 -0400, "Rita Berkowitz"
<ritaberk2008(a)aol.com> wrote:

>Neil Harrington wrote:
>
>>>> OK, thanks. I'll still need to get a large, really sturdy box of
>>>> some kind. That's the sort of thing I thought Staples might have.
>>>
>>> Dumpster diving time! You need a good sturdy wardrobe box. They are
>>> extremely strong, durable, and are easily cut down to size. Check
>>> some of the apartment complexes or universities in your area and
>>> they will save all
>>> you want free of charge.
>>
>> Thanks. But after checking eBay I've sort of changed my mind anyway.
>> I saw a Leitz Focomat at $150 and only one bid (a Leitz Focomat!),
>> and about 14 hours to go when I looked at it. Others like a nice
>> Beseler or two with no bids at all. Interest in enlargers seems to be
>> even lower than I expected . So I don't think I'll bother -- my local
>> community college still has photography classes using 35mm, and I
>> think I'll just give the Durst to them. But thanks anyway.
>
>Yeah, that kinda doesn't make it worth the effort. Always factor in the
>dollar/weight ratio before embarking on the journey. Too many eBay sellers
>don't. Donating it is a good deed.

The only was to ascertain the going price is to look at completed
auctions only. Current auctions, with 14 hours to go, don't tell you
anything.

It still may not be worth the effort, but you'll have a better handle
on the going prices.


--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida