From: Eric Miller on
Having just wandered from the political thread, I thought I'd toss out a
puzzle of sorts that might get back OT. Does the type of diffuser really
matter? If you think so, then tell me what kind of diffuser was used in
this photo? Heck, if you can't tell, just give your opinion as to
whether you think it did a good or even adequate job.

http://www.dyesscreek.com/hidden_pages/diffuser.html

Here is some additional info:

Camera Canon EOS 5D
Lens Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM
Aperture 1.8
Shutter 200
ISO 100

Clues: The model, my daughter, is sitting on a bed in our upstairs
bedroom. To her left, camera right, is an open window. The room has
white walls, a low white ceiling and light carpeting. The room was a bit
dark and it was cloudy today, so without flash her right side would have
been in shadow. That was filled with a canon flash with a diffuser on it.

If you need a hint, I'll narrow the choices:

Gary Fong Lightsphere
White Post-it note
Larry Thong Light Bottle
Lumiquest Pocket Bouncer
Cream colored business card and tape
Sto-Fen Omni-Bounce

There you have it. No doubt the people who think the equipment matters
will nail this one.

Incidentally, this isn't being offered as an example of a good photo,
but if you want to critique or flame me, go for it. I will post the
answer later if anyone is interested.

Eric Miller
www.dyesscreek.com
From: Paul Furman on
Eric Miller wrote:

> ...Does the type of diffuser really
> matter? If you think so, then tell me what kind of diffuser was used in
> this photo? Heck, if you can't tell, just give your opinion as to
> whether you think it did a good or even adequate job.
>
> http://www.dyesscreek.com/hidden_pages/diffuser.html

Looks like on-camera flash, not bounced off the ceiling, that leaves two
possibilities unless I don't know what those others are. I can see a
pretty sharp shadow under her chin so actually I vote for no diffuser.
Cute kid!

> Gary Fong Lightsphere
> White Post-it note
> Larry Thong Light Bottle
> Lumiquest Pocket Bouncer
> Cream colored business card and tape
> Sto-Fen Omni-Bounce

I'm repeating what I wrote in the political thread as I think it got lost:

I just invented my own diffuser with some experimenting. For the
built-in flash on my D200... I started with tracing paper... almost no
difference... then dug up an old pplastic garden path light diffuser:
plastic designed to diffuse with ridges & frosted surface... a little
better but not a big difference... still harsh flash shadows... then I
cut that in half & doubled it with about a 1-inch gap between the two...
big improvement. This is based on a pricipal I learned from interior
designers for diffusing light through a window you use two sheer white
curtains with some separation, one doesn't do much but two really gets
the job done.

I'm not showing pics of it cause it's butt-ugly but what I did was cut a
piece of plastic to slide into the hotshoe & taped that to the diffuser
which curves over the popped up flash & rests on the lens. Easy to
remove with the hot-shoe attachment.

Then I designed a bouce card. Crinkled foil does a much better job that
a white business card... attachment is with another piece of plastic
(plant label bent with 4 folds), which then slides thru a slot in the
business card after mounting on the hot shoe thru the hole in the pop-up.

BTW I suck at flash... I always avoided it. I don't even get the iTTL
deal: there is almost no change in shutter speed in aperture priority
mode, it just provides fill light, even in slow synch mode and results
in a brighter exposure when flash is a major part of the exposure.
Hmmmm. I figure if I'm going to play with these diffused versions, I'll
keep it cranked up to max output since it's just a wimpy on camera flash
diffused.


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Paul Furman Photography
http://edgehill.net
Bay Natives Nursery
http://www.baynatives.com
From: Eric Miller on
Paul Furman wrote:
> Eric Miller wrote:
>
>> ...Does the type of diffuser really matter? If you think so, then tell
>> me what kind of diffuser was used in this photo? Heck, if you can't
>> tell, just give your opinion as to whether you think it did a good or
>> even adequate job.
>>
>> http://www.dyesscreek.com/hidden_pages/diffuser.html
>
> Looks like on-camera flash, not bounced off the ceiling, that leaves two
> possibilities unless I don't know what those others are. I can see a
> pretty sharp shadow under her chin so actually I vote for no diffuser.
> Cute kid!

No, I didn't cheat, I definitely used a diffuser. She does have her chin
tucked down, hence the shadow.

Eric Miller
www.dyesscreek.com
From: Ben Miller on
On Jul 29, 8:32 pm, Eric Miller <miller_nospam_e...(a)bellsouth.net>
wrote:
> Having just wandered from the political thread, I thought I'd toss out a
> puzzle of sorts that might get back OT. Does the type of diffuser really
> matter? If you think so, then tell me what kind of diffuser was used in
> this photo? Heck, if you can't tell, just give your opinion as to
> whether you think it did a good or even adequate job.
>
> http://www.dyesscreek.com/hidden_pages/diffuser.html
>
> Here is some additional info:
>
> Camera Canon EOS 5D
> Lens Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM
> Aperture 1.8
> Shutter 200
> ISO 100
>
> Clues: The model, my daughter, is sitting on a bed in our upstairs
> bedroom. To her left, camera right, is an open window. The room has
> white walls, a low white ceiling and light carpeting. The room was a bit
> dark and it was cloudy today, so without flash her right side would have
> been in shadow. That was filled with a canon flash with a diffuser on it.
>
> If you need a hint, I'll narrow the choices:
>
> Gary Fong Lightsphere
> White Post-it note
> Larry Thong Light Bottle
> Lumiquest Pocket Bouncer
> Cream colored business card and tape
> Sto-Fen Omni-Bounce

Who knows, but I'm right there with you, brother! AAMOF, here's a fun
game. See if you can tell me which picture was taken with a Nikon
supplied SB-800 diffuser, which one was taken with a Lumiquest
Softbox, which one was taken with a gallon milk jug cut in half
slipped over the flash and pointed at the celing and which one was
just a bounce:

http://www.pbase.com/sigphotography/image/82704960

http://www.pbase.com/sigphotography/image/82704544 (this room is about
220' long, for reference)

http://www.pbase.com/sigphotography/image/63601448

http://www.pbase.com/sigphotography/image/73382919

In case you noticed, PBase doesn't list the flash as having fired in
the EXIF - this is a PBase issue - all were most definitely shot with
flash.





From: Paul Furman on
Ben Miller wrote:

> See if you can tell me which picture was taken with a Nikon
> supplied SB-800 diffuser, which one was taken with a Lumiquest
> Softbox, which one was taken with a gallon milk jug cut in half
> slipped over the flash and pointed at the celing and which one was
> just a bounce:
>
> http://www.pbase.com/sigphotography/image/82704960
>
> http://www.pbase.com/sigphotography/image/82704544 (this room is about
> 220' long, for reference)
>
> http://www.pbase.com/sigphotography/image/63601448
>
> http://www.pbase.com/sigphotography/image/73382919

The baby was a bounce.

--
Paul Furman Photography
http://edgehill.net
Bay Natives Nursery
http://www.baynatives.com