Is support for freehand drawing better in recent Photoshop?
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From: williamc on 12 May 2010 08:34 Question; does the brush tool in recent Photoshop function basically like the brush tool in PS 6.0.1? I stopped doing full-time graphics work back around the turn of the century and have not kept up with the latest S/W. I still use Photoshop 6.0.1, Illustratior 8 (or Freehand 9) and Fireworks 4 for graphics. But now I need to do some graphics-intensive work now that could probably best be described as cartoony illustration. I'm researching contemporary software and am evaluating Manga Studio 4. Its comics-related features are nice to have, but I don't really need them. However, I do really like the way their pen tool (which would equate to the photoshop brush tool) smooths out the hand-drawn line and results in something that looks a lot like drawing with a sable brush and ink on paper. Using MS made me realize that that's one of the things I really want in a program, but not sure if the later Photoshop made any improvements in this area. I think the first program that did something like this was the Fractal Design Expressions (vector art that looked like raster art) which I also owned and liked back in the day. BTW, the color support in Manga Studio is not very good. I think a lot of its users export PSD and color in PS. Photoshop 6 has everything I want except for versatile drawing support. If CS4/5 has improved, parameterized drawing tools I'd certainly buy it, despite it's being somewhat overpriced.
From: williamc on 12 May 2010 16:30 On 5/12/2010 2:25 PM, John Stafford wrote: > In article <yKWdndEk0sL6PXfWnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, > williamc <none(a)nowhere.net> wrote: > >> Question; does the brush tool in recent Photoshop function basically >> like the brush tool in PS 6.0.1? > > No. There is better tablet support now. > > But you can answer the question yourself by downloading the full version > for a 30-day trial period. > > Here: > https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/tdrc/index.cfm?product=photoshop&loc=en_us Ok. So, I'm guessing the pressure sensitivity is much improved. The old brush line was almost like a marker in appearance. You're right, though, the only way to really tell is to try it. --williamc
From: williamc on 13 May 2010 13:55 > Before you giving it a try I may be able to give you some general > information just incase you may be so disappointed. In general > > - There is or should be NO DIFFERNCE because drawing is drawing, there is no > magical able the basic drawing stroke. > > - BUT each newer version of Photoshop often add newer or more feature/option > to the existing tools. So the brush is still the same brush, but one > version offers special Brush, one offers History Art Brush, one offers the > combination of all previous version including newer option/feature like > being able to add or change the effect of the brush stroke. > > And with the right tool and talent you may be able to use Photoshop to > draw a much better painting and quicker than specific program designed for > drawing/painting. Understood. But PS6 offers control over only the following parameters afaik: brush size, opacity and general Photoshop fill mode (normal, multiply, dissolve, color etc.), plus a check box for wet edges and a set of 3 params for "brush dynamics" that have some usefulness but are pretty limited. e.g. fade will feather out your stroke but you still can't feather it in. In general, somebody who can draw on paper won't be as pleased with the result or be able to draw as well in Photoshop as on paper. Newer software (the first one I ever noticed that had some improved brush dynamics was Fractal Design Expressions and maybe Painter?) have add'l params that can be set which affect line. Manga Studio which I'm evaluating now has the following params for its pens: pen type (a variety), size, opacity, stroke in, stroke out and correction, plus the ability to set brush shape, angle and thickness. The key params for what I'm talking about are stroke in/out and correction. It's not exactly like drawing with a sable brush on toothy paper but it gives you the ability to get a similar result. So, I guess what I'm looking for is something with the nice color and channels support of Photoshop along with more advanced drawing tools.
From: Richard on 14 May 2010 05:38 "williamc" <none(a)nowhere.net> wrote in message news:yKWdndEk0sL6PXfWnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > Question; does the brush tool in recent Photoshop function basically > like the brush tool in PS 6.0.1? > > I stopped doing full-time graphics work back around the turn of the > century and have not kept up with the latest S/W. I still use Photoshop > 6.0.1, Illustratior 8 (or Freehand 9) and Fireworks 4 for graphics. But > now I need to do some graphics-intensive work now that could probably > best be described as cartoony illustration. > > I'm researching contemporary software and am evaluating Manga Studio 4. > Its comics-related features are nice to have, but I don't really need > them. However, I do really like the way their pen tool (which would > equate to the photoshop brush tool) smooths out the hand-drawn line and > results in something that looks a lot like drawing with a sable brush > and ink on paper. > > Using MS made me realize that that's one of the things I really want in > a program, but not sure if the later Photoshop made any improvements in > this area. I think the first program that did something like this was > the Fractal Design Expressions (vector art that looked like raster art) > which I also owned and liked back in the day. BTW, the color support in > Manga Studio is not very good. I think a lot of its users export PSD and > color in PS. > > Photoshop 6 has everything I want except for versatile drawing support. > If CS4/5 has improved, parameterized drawing tools I'd certainly buy it, > despite it's being somewhat overpriced. Creature House Expression is the thing which will fill your needs. Learning curve may be a little steep, but there really is nothing in other software to touch the strokes. Grab Expression E3 free: Creature House Expression 3 is an innovative vector-based illustration and graphics tool that provides exciting creative capabilities for designers working in print, web, video, and interactive mediums. Microsoft acquired the Creature House technology and development team in 2003. As a service to the many loyal users of Expression, a free download version is available to existing users of the product for either Microsoft Windows or Mac OS. Please follow this link to complete the registration survey and download the software: http://www.microsoft.com/expression/expression-design/Default.aspx Richard
From: williamc on 14 May 2010 12:02
On 5/14/2010 5:38 AM, Richard wrote: > "williamc" <none(a)nowhere.net> wrote in message > news:yKWdndEk0sL6PXfWnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> Question; does the brush tool in recent Photoshop function basically >> like the brush tool in PS 6.0.1? >> >> I stopped doing full-time graphics work back around the turn of the >> century and have not kept up with the latest S/W. I still use Photoshop >> 6.0.1, Illustratior 8 (or Freehand 9) and Fireworks 4 for graphics. But >> now I need to do some graphics-intensive work now that could probably >> best be described as cartoony illustration. >> >> I'm researching contemporary software and am evaluating Manga Studio 4. >> Its comics-related features are nice to have, but I don't really need >> them. However, I do really like the way their pen tool (which would >> equate to the photoshop brush tool) smooths out the hand-drawn line and >> results in something that looks a lot like drawing with a sable brush >> and ink on paper. >> >> Using MS made me realize that that's one of the things I really want in >> a program, but not sure if the later Photoshop made any improvements in >> this area. I think the first program that did something like this was >> the Fractal Design Expressions (vector art that looked like raster art) >> which I also owned and liked back in the day. BTW, the color support in >> Manga Studio is not very good. I think a lot of its users export PSD and >> color in PS. >> >> Photoshop 6 has everything I want except for versatile drawing support. >> If CS4/5 has improved, parameterized drawing tools I'd certainly buy it, >> despite it's being somewhat overpriced. > > Creature House Expression is the thing which will fill your needs. Learning > curve may be a little steep, but there really is nothing in other software > to touch the strokes. > > Grab Expression E3 free: > > Creature House Expression 3 is an innovative vector-based illustration and > graphics tool that provides exciting creative capabilities for designers > working in print, web, video, and interactive mediums. > > Microsoft acquired the Creature House technology and development team in > 2003. As a service to the many loyal users of Expression, a free download > version is available to existing users of the product for either Microsoft > Windows or Mac OS. Please follow this link to complete the registration > survey and download the software: > > http://www.microsoft.com/expression/expression-design/Default.aspx > > Richard > > Thanks, I'll check that out! |