From: crownfield on
In article <JxAzi.1130$vq6.410(a)textfe.usenetserver.com>, veldy71
@yahoo.com says...
-crownfield <crownfield(a)verizon.net> wrote:
-> In article <3yByi.1078$vq6.185(a)textfe.usenetserver.com>, veldy71
-> @yahoo.com says...
-> -RichA <rander3127(a)gmail.com> wrote:
-> -> All depends on the task. I just read an article by a sports photog
-> -> who said he has no choice but to shoot a 3200 ISO f2.8 at many indoor
-> -> venues because of the lighting.
-> ->
-> -
-> -I very very rarely shoot above ISO400. In fact, I rarely shoot higher than
-> -ISO100.
->
-> in a studio with strobes, right. available light is different.
->
-> so you are unlikely to shoot moving children in dimmer light.
->
-> either less than bright light
-> or fast action are not of interest to you.
-
-I shoot mostly outdoors. I do do candid shots of friends and family or some
-indoor events, but mostly, I survive on ISO400 or better with use of my
-SB-600. As I move towards bird shots, I may revise my opinion on this a
-little, but currently, the best I can do is use an 80-200mm f/2.8 lens with a
-1.4x teleconverter, which isn't really sufficient for most birds.

apparently I often work at much lower light levels than you. 400 is
pretty good, if you can. at lower levels, i would rather use higher iso,
more noise, and get more natural lighting.

that said, the d2 and the sb 800 together are nothing short of amazing.
last night, at a stage performance, (iso 800) I was set to 1/80 sec.
I ended up with 2 pix within a second, both properly exposed by the
flash fill, using hi speed auto. so fast it is uncanny.

you got me curious.
in the woods iso 100 / f2.8 gave 1/60, on a sunny day.
that would mean no real motion, tripod required.
at 200 mm, 60 would be about 1/4 of th minimum for hand held.
and that bars any subject action.

what part of the world is home to you?
I am in MA.

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From: Thomas T. Veldhouse on
crownfield <crownfield(a)verizon.net> wrote:
> you got me curious.
> in the woods iso 100 / f2.8 gave 1/60, on a sunny day.
> that would mean no real motion, tripod required.
> at 200 mm, 60 would be about 1/4 of th minimum for hand held.
> and that bars any subject action.
>

Hmm ... isn't "sunny 16" going to be 1/100 at ISO100 at f/16 on a bright sunny
day? So, with the 1.5x crop, you can expect about 1/60. Now, f/2.8 is five
stops brighter than f/16. 1.5/100/5 ~= 1/250 or 1/500. Consider it is
probably not quite full sun and 1/250 is a more conservative result. Where do
you get 1/60?

> what part of the world is home to you?
> I am in MA.
>

I live in a suburb of Minneaoplis, MN. No, I haven't gone down to take any
pictures of the bridge :-(

--
Thomas T. Veldhouse

We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the
machinations of the wicked.

From: Thomas T. Veldhouse on
Thomas T. Veldhouse <veldy71(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> crownfield <crownfield(a)verizon.net> wrote:
>> you got me curious.
>> in the woods iso 100 / f2.8 gave 1/60, on a sunny day.
>> that would mean no real motion, tripod required.
>> at 200 mm, 60 would be about 1/4 of th minimum for hand held.
>> and that bars any subject action.
>>
>
> Hmm ... isn't "sunny 16" going to be 1/100 at ISO100 at f/16 on a bright sunny
> day? So, with the 1.5x crop, you can expect about 1/60. Now, f/2.8 is five
> stops brighter than f/16. 1.5/100/5 ~= 1/250 or 1/500. Consider it is
> probably not quite full sun and 1/250 is a more conservative result. Where do
> you get 1/60?
>

Eeeks ... I see you said you were in the woods on a sunny day. I assume that
is where you lost two stops.

>> what part of the world is home to you?
>> I am in MA.
>>
>
> I live in a suburb of Minneaoplis, MN. No, I haven't gone down to take any
> pictures of the bridge :-(
>

--
Thomas T. Veldhouse

We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the
machinations of the wicked.

From: crownfield on
In article <KuGzi.1141$vq6.1092(a)textfe.usenetserver.com>, veldy71
@yahoo.com says...
-crownfield <crownfield(a)verizon.net> wrote:
-> you got me curious.
-> in the woods iso 100 / f2.8 gave 1/60, on a sunny day.
-> that would mean no real motion, tripod required.
-> at 200 mm, 60 would be about 1/4 of th minimum for hand held.
-> and that bars any subject action.
->
-
-Hmm ... isn't "sunny 16" going to be 1/100 at ISO100 at f/16 on a bright sunny
-day? So, with the 1.5x crop, you can expect about 1/60. Now, f/2.8 is five
-stops brighter than f/16. 1.5/100/5 ~= 1/250 or 1/500. Consider it is
-probably not quite full sun and 1/250 is a more conservative result. Where do
-you get 1/60?

measurement.
"in the woods iso 100 / f2.8 gave 1/60, on a sunny day."
literally. (shade)

more interesting lighting.
sunlight is very harsh and usually not well controlled.


-
-> what part of the world is home to you?
-> I am in MA.
->
-
-I live in a suburb of Minneaoplis, MN. No, I haven't gone down to take any
-pictures of the bridge :-(
-
-