From: nospam on
In article <LeWUk.5252$hc1.1178(a)flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com>, SMS
<scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote:

> No, someone wrote "nikon sold more cameras than canon did last year".
> It's not true of course, Canon sold far more total cameras than Nikon
> did last year, and slightly more D-SLRs, though Canon lost a lot of
> market share in D-SLRs to Nikon, who introduced a slew of new models
> into the market, competing in segments of the D-SLR market for the first
> time.

that was me who said that, and perhaps i was a little off in my timing
as it was 2008 when nikon moved ahead.

...snip..

then you go on to say:

> Canon outsells every manufacturer in total units. In D-SLR units, Canon
> was slightly ahead on Nikon in 2007, but when the numbers come in for
> 2008, Nikon will likely lead Canon slightly.

the discussion was about dslrs, not all digital cameras, and you even
agree with it. it was spawned by your statement that nikon is *forced*
to update the d700 and d300 because they're struggling and losing
market share to canon, yet you now say that nikon sold more dslrs than
canon did.

> > I note that Digital Photo and Practical Photography voted Nikon Best
> > across the board fro 2008
> >
> > Best Pro DSLR D3
> > Best Advanced DSLR D300
> > Product of the Year D3
>
> I guess Nikon placed more ads than Canon. To claim that the D3 is a
> better pro camera than the 1Ds Mark II is ludicrous.

so the 1ds can do 10 frames per second? how about high iso?
From: Eric Stevens on
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:12:59 -0500, Shiva Das
<shivadas(a)kashmir-hindu.org> wrote:

>In article <rhd8i4lpebmguc91da8eullahl3092no3g(a)4ax.com>,
> Steve <steve(a)example.com> wrote:
>
>> A good pro will use the right tool for
>> the job, which could be either depending on the job.
>
>This is the correct answer to _every_ "which is better...", "which is
>best...", "is Nykon better than Cannen..." question.
>
>The right tool for the right job, and how well does it fit your hands.
>No one wants to hear these answers though.
>
>>
>> But for general purpose all around shooting if you could only have one
>> camera and had to make a choice between the D3 and 1DsMkII
>
>Oh dear, I'm afraid I'd have to give up photography if faced with that
>choice. Neither one of those cameras is compatible with this new-fangled
>stuff called "film" that I use :-)
>
You should consider using dry glass plates. I find they are much more
convenient than the wet collodion process I have been using up till
now.



Eric Stevens
From: Eric Stevens on
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:25:18 -0500, Shiva Das
<shivadas(a)kashmir-hindu.org> wrote:

>In article <s2u8i4t4lcvnim9gsnf5i4ji8n07n3igi2(a)4ax.com>,
> Eric Stevens <eric.stevens(a)sum.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:12:59 -0500, Shiva Das
>> <shivadas(a)kashmir-hindu.org> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <rhd8i4lpebmguc91da8eullahl3092no3g(a)4ax.com>,
>> > Steve <steve(a)example.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> A good pro will use the right tool for
>> >> the job, which could be either depending on the job.
>> >
>> >This is the correct answer to _every_ "which is better...", "which is
>> >best...", "is Nykon better than Cannen..." question.
>> >
>> >The right tool for the right job, and how well does it fit your hands.
>> >No one wants to hear these answers though.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> But for general purpose all around shooting if you could only have one
>> >> camera and had to make a choice between the D3 and 1DsMkII
>> >
>> >Oh dear, I'm afraid I'd have to give up photography if faced with that
>> >choice. Neither one of those cameras is compatible with this new-fangled
>> >stuff called "film" that I use :-)
>> >
>> You should consider using dry glass plates. I find they are much more
>> convenient than the wet collodion process I have been using up till
>> now.
>>
>>
>>
>> Eric Stevens
>
>Actually, I have a dry-plate camera which I use as a convenient point
>'n' shoot since it takes so little time and expense compared to my "pro"
>Daguerreotype setup... It's also a nice break from breathing mercury
>fumes all day.

LOL :-)



Eric Stevens
From: John McWilliams on
Shiva Das wrote:
> In article <s2u8i4t4lcvnim9gsnf5i4ji8n07n3igi2(a)4ax.com>,
> Eric Stevens <eric.stevens(a)sum.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:12:59 -0500, Shiva Das
>> <shivadas(a)kashmir-hindu.org> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <rhd8i4lpebmguc91da8eullahl3092no3g(a)4ax.com>,
>>> Steve <steve(a)example.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A good pro will use the right tool for
>>>> the job, which could be either depending on the job.
>>> This is the correct answer to _every_ "which is better...", "which is
>>> best...", "is Nykon better than Cannen..." question.
>>>
>>> The right tool for the right job, and how well does it fit your hands.
>>> No one wants to hear these answers though.
>>>
>>>> But for general purpose all around shooting if you could only have one
>>>> camera and had to make a choice between the D3 and 1DsMkII
>>> Oh dear, I'm afraid I'd have to give up photography if faced with that
>>> choice. Neither one of those cameras is compatible with this new-fangled
>>> stuff called "film" that I use :-)
>>>
>> You should consider using dry glass plates. I find they are much more
>> convenient than the wet collodion process I have been using up till
>> now.
>
> Actually, I have a dry-plate camera which I use as a convenient point
> 'n' shoot since it takes so little time and expense compared to my "pro"
> Daguerreotype setup... It's also a nice break from breathing mercury
> fumes all day.

How maddening!

You can save a bit of weight, though, by using rigid but thin sheets of
plexiglass instead of glass for the plates. You do coat your own, no?

--
john mcwilliams
From: John McWilliams on
Shiva Das wrote:
> In article <yrydnX8LWNGzS7nUnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d(a)comcast.com>,
> John McWilliams <jpmcw(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Shiva Das wrote:
>>> In article <s2u8i4t4lcvnim9gsnf5i4ji8n07n3igi2(a)4ax.com>,
>>> Eric Stevens <eric.stevens(a)sum.co.nz> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:12:59 -0500, Shiva Das
>>>> <shivadas(a)kashmir-hindu.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <rhd8i4lpebmguc91da8eullahl3092no3g(a)4ax.com>,
>>>>> Steve <steve(a)example.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A good pro will use the right tool for
>>>>>> the job, which could be either depending on the job.
>>>>> This is the correct answer to _every_ "which is better...", "which is
>>>>> best...", "is Nykon better than Cannen..." question.
>>>>>
>>>>> The right tool for the right job, and how well does it fit your hands.
>>>>> No one wants to hear these answers though.
>>>>>
>>>>>> But for general purpose all around shooting if you could only have one
>>>>>> camera and had to make a choice between the D3 and 1DsMkII
>>>>> Oh dear, I'm afraid I'd have to give up photography if faced with that
>>>>> choice. Neither one of those cameras is compatible with this new-fangled
>>>>> stuff called "film" that I use :-)
>>>>>
>>>> You should consider using dry glass plates. I find they are much more
>>>> convenient than the wet collodion process I have been using up till
>>>> now.
>>> Actually, I have a dry-plate camera which I use as a convenient point
>>> 'n' shoot since it takes so little time and expense compared to my "pro"
>>> Daguerreotype setup... It's also a nice break from breathing mercury
>>> fumes all day.
>> How maddening!
>>
>> You can save a bit of weight, though, by using rigid but thin sheets of
>> plexiglass instead of glass for the plates. You do coat your own, no?
>
> Luxury! We used to DREAM of using Plexiglas ["Perspex" to our British,
> Ozzie, and Kiwi friends]! My mum and dad used to make us get up at four
> o'clock in the morning and steal panes of glass from the mill, then coat
> them before the sun came up, before sending us to school barefoot with
> nowt but two lumps of coal for lunch.
>
> And you try telling kids today ...

Aaaarrrrr, me laddie, aaaarrrrr! Yousben lucky in-deed: Moi four
brudders and tree sisters 'adda share but one lump amongst us, walkin'
up hill both ways, four mile, ina freezin coldt.

--
john mcwilliams