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"Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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> On 2009-09-07 18:46:25 -0700, rfischer(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) said:
>
>> Doug McDonald <mcdonald(a)NoSpAmscs.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>> DG wrote:
>>>> If people are upset about the photo then they should blame the
>>>> politicians for the war, not the photographer for the image.
>>>
>>> NO! They should blame the scum people who print it against
>>> the family's wishes, and the people who
>>> started the war: al Qaeda and the Taliban.
>>
>> That's a rightard lie. It was Bush and the neocons who started the war.
>>
>>> There is nothing
>>> wrong with the photographer taking it ... if the family
>>> had agreed, publishing it would have been OK.
>>
>> The soldier was there on the taxpayer's dime. The taxpayers have the
>> right to know how their money is being spent.
>
> As a refugee of the 60's with a draft number of 54, "spent" is not what I
> would have said. I would think the term used in my war would have been
> more appropriate, "wasted!"
> Savageduck
>
I am sorry you believe that. I know a number of Vietnam vets who are proud
of their service.....They didn't buy into the left wing propaganda that
insisted they be ashamed of their service. They really believed they were
fighting to protect South Vietnam from Communism. I wonder what the average
Vietnamese citizen believes......

From: Bill Graham on

"Giftzwerg" <giftzwerg999(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> In article <g5oaa5dod6i4k5nfou0ikibsemv74pdqpd(a)4ax.com>, real-address-
> in-sig(a)lineone.net says...
>
>> Came across this article about AP publishing a photo of a dying US
>> marine and the controversy surrounding it. There hasn't been much
>> news here in the UK about it but I expect that it's big news in the
>> US.
>>
>> <http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/53173,news,photograph-of-dying-marine-joshua-bernard-was-it-right-for-the-associated-press-to-publish>
>>
>> I'm all up for showing how things are and the press have done so on
>> may occasions, but at the same time the family must be very upset. So
>> I'm in two minds about this. Storm in a tea cup? Or genuine concern
>> on showing dead or dying NATO/ISAF soldiers?
>
> I think the photographer is lucky to be alive. If you were trying to
> snap a photo of *my* dying buddy, I'd blow your head off on the spot.

And why would you do that? - He was a photographer, not a medical doctor.
That's what he was there for.

From: Bill Graham on

"Giftzwerg" <giftzwerg999(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Forty-two percent (42%) of U.S. voters say a group of people randomly
> selected from the phone book would do a better job than the current
> Congress."
> - Rassmussen Reports

I wouldn't use the telephone book, but I would use the voter registration
rolls, and I would pick two hundred people at random from all over the US,
every couple of years, until I had about 600 people, and then they would run
the country for 6 years each group, with the oldest group being replaced by
a fresh 200 every two years. That way, we would get rid of all the crooked
lawyers, and get a congress of real citizens, from every walk of
life....Store keepers, fishermen, farmers, engineers, doctors, accountants,
policemen, and yes, even an occasional lawyer. We'd have much better, and
more honest, representation than we have right now, that's for sure.

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"Giftzwerg" <giftzwerg999(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> In article <8p0da51m15rts1qomedc1fn5acitjee9oa(a)4ax.com>,
> xxxxxxxx(a)xxxxxx.xxxxxx says...
>
>> >It'll look great in the papers! Won't it? I'm sure the photographer's
>> >family won't mind.
>>
>>
>> A usenet tough guy... That's special.
>>
>> It's a harmless photo that means nothing. Too bad the guy died (the
>> photographer probably didn't know this at the time).
>
> I'd like to see more pictures of dead journalists, though. Makes me
> happy.

It's a dying art in any case.....In another hundred years of so, there won't
be any journalists.....

From: Bill Graham on

"DG" <xxxxxxxx(a)xxxxxx.xxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Ghetta Gryp <gg(a)antispam.org> wrote:
>>
>>On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 11:16:52 -0600, DG <xxxxxxxx(a)xxxxxx.xxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>Oil is not a redeeming value?
>>
>>If there was no oil today everyone in the world would finally concentrate
>>on clean renewable resources like they should have done over 40 years ago.
>>The whole world would put their best effort forward to overcome this
>>"energy crisis" instead of fighting pretend wars-waged by corporations to
>>try to control middle-east oils and your dependency on them. How is an
>>energy source, and all the civilizations of the middle-east, that are
>>destroying your planet in any way a "redeeming value". Hell, they pray
>>daily that the end-of-the-world happens soon and will do all they can to
>>make it come true through self-fulfilling prophesies.
>>
>>You sure don't think very clearly, do you.
>
>
> Nice snippage of me schooling you. The greatest source of energy of
> our lifetime is primarily supplied by the middle east. How is that
> not a redeeming value?
>
>
>>As far as your "great minds" comments, I leave the above as evidence that
>>you don't even know what a "great mind" is. Therefore your evaluation of
>>the middle-east cultures having any redeeming value whatsoever is also in
>>grave error.
>
>
> Again, nice snippage... Your inability to accept people and their
> abilities due to their geographic birth is ethnocentricity at it's
> finest.
>
>
>>And with this ... I refuse to allow the childish self-victimization of
>>middle-east cultures take up any more of my time or energy. They're not
>>even worth one more key-press. Unless that "key" was the one that would
>>blow them all to their respective hells and finally off the face of this
>>earth for the good of all. The rest of the world and all its more
>>important
>>civilizations have suffered their existence far too long already. They
>>should only go down as a minor footnote in history, titled "What to not
>>become, ever again, by anyone."
>
>
> The people of the middle east have been exploited by horrible
> governments for centuries.
>
Horrible religions, too......I doubt if I could guess which has been the
worst.....