From: Savageduck on
On 2009-09-09 06:26:57 -0700, "mcdonaldREMOVE TO ACTUALLY REACH
ME"@scs.uiuc.edu said:

> Pete Stavrakoglou wrote:
>
>>
>> Sounds like you want to go back to the old days when this was just how
>> it was done. You can make the case that this was how the founding
>> fathers envisioned the Congress. Now, it's full of lifetime
>> officeholders, some of whom could give a darn as to what their
>> constituents want. It's time for term limits. If anyone wants a reson
>> for term limits, I'll give you two - Barney Frank and Charles Rangel.
>> These guys should be poster children for term limits. I'd throw Ted
>> Kennedy in there too but he's passed on.
>>
>
> Term limits won't work for Congress.
>
> What would happen would be term limited puppets being played by the
> real player behind the curtain.
>
> The only cure is to vote them out early and often.
>
> And keep a free press. Without Fox News we would be in really bad shape.
>
> Doug McDonald

Fox, free and independent!
Now that is truly funny.

Check with Rupert Murdock and find out just how free and independent
Fox and all of his rags are.

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Savageduck

From: Chris H on
In message <g5oaa5dod6i4k5nfou0ikibsemv74pdqpd(a)4ax.com>, Kulvinder Singh
Matharu <real-address-in-sig(a)lineone.net> writes
>Came across this article about AP publishing a photo of a dying US
>marine and the controversy surrounding it. There hasn't been much
>news here in the UK about it but I expect that it's big news in the
>US.
>
><http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/53173,news,photograph-of-dying-marine-
>joshua-bernard-was-it-right-for-the-associated-press-to-publish>
>
>I'm all up for showing how things are and the press have done so on
>may occasions, but at the same time the family must be very upset. So
>I'm in two minds about this. Storm in a tea cup? Or genuine concern
>on showing dead or dying NATO/ISAF soldiers?

Are you worried abbot showing dead and dying PEOPLE or the propaganda
effect of dead and dying NATO soldiers has on the families of NATO
soldiers?


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From: Chris H on
In message <h846sv$sg8$1(a)news.acm.uiuc.edu>, Doug McDonald
<mcdonald(a)NoSpAmscs.uiuc.edu> writes
>RichA wrote:
>> Kulvinder Singh Matharu wrote:
>>> Came across this article about AP publishing a photo of a dying US
>>> marine and the controversy surrounding it. There hasn't been much
>>> news here in the UK about it but I expect that it's big news in the
>>> US.
>>>
>>>
>> There was no news value in it, the media outlets, threatened by
>> falling usage and viewers are desperate and will do anything to drum
>> up an audience.
>
>The picture itself is no news. The scum left-wing media use these
>to try to make people feel sick and therefore want to lose a war.
>Its standard stuff and long since the whole affair is well known.

But it is OK to pictures of dead enemy soldiers and civilians>?
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From: Chris H on
In message <h847ec$skt$2(a)news.acm.uiuc.edu>, Doug McDonald
<mcdonald(a)NoSpAmscs.uiuc.edu> writes
>DG wrote:
>> Kulvinder Singh Matharu wrote:
>>> Came across this article about AP publishing a photo of a dying US
>>> marine and the controversy surrounding it. There hasn't been much
>>> news here in the UK about it but I expect that it's big news in the
>>> US.
>>>
>>> <http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/53173,news,photograph-of-dying-
>>>marine-joshua-bernard-was-it-right-for-the-associated-press-to-
>>>publish>
>>>
>>> I'm all up for showing how things are and the press have done so on
>>> may occasions, but at the same time the family must be very upset. So
>>> I'm in two minds about this. Storm in a tea cup? Or genuine concern
>>> on showing dead or dying NATO/ISAF soldiers?
>> What's a photographer supposed to do? Quit shooting in a war zone
>> because someone might die? If people are upset about the photo
>>then they should blame the
>> politicians for the war, not the photographer for the image.
>>
>
>
>NO! They should blame the scum people who print it against
>the family's wishes,

Does that go for ALL pictures from war zones?

>and the people who
>started the war: al Qaeda and the Taliban.

No... They did not start it.

>There is nothing
>wrong with the photographer taking it ... if the family
>had agreed, publishing it would have been OK.

Well what about all the other photos published without the families
permission?

Or does it apply only to families of American troops?

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From: Chris H on
In message <gsipm.1652$tl3.731(a)nwrddc01.gnilink.net>, Igetrightwingersan
gry(a)nospan.com writes
>
>
>...And if the picture was of you --> and the last memory your children
>would have of you, would it still be okay to publish it?


Yes. Many such pictures have been published in the last decade.

The only difference with this one is it is a US serviceman. I have not
heard a murmur from anyone over the last several thousands of pictures
of the dead and dying (non-US military) people


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