From: Savageduck on
On 2009-09-09 07:31:08 -0700, DG <xxxxxxxx(a)xxxxxx.xxxxxx> said:

> Savageduck wrote:
>>
>> If you wanted to cite a WWII combat photographer with credentials you
>> should have gone with Robert Capa.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Capa
>>
>> If you wanted Vietnam era think Larry Burrows, Catherine LeRoy, Henri
>> Huet, Tim Page;
>> http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0302/lb_index.html
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Leroy
>> http://www.popphoto.com/Features/They-Were-Soldiers-Once
>> http://contactpressimages.com/news/?p=43
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Huet
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Page_(photographer)
>>
>> ...and it takes men such as Horst Faas and Malcolm Brown to get some of
>> the valuable unpleasant images to print.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_Faas
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Brown_(Australian_journalist)
>
>
> Through all the frothing comes a post with some real value. Thanks
> for the links. Interesting reads...

....and if you want one of the best from the 80's and 90's, there is
James Nachtwey.
http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0110/nachtwey_intro.htm
http://www.jamesnachtwey.com/

Then there were South Africans of the "Bang Bang Club" Joao Silva, Greg
Marinovich, Ken Oosterbroek, killed by "friendly fire" and Kevin Carter
who could only escape the nightmares he documented by drug use and
suicide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bang-Bang_Club
http://www.joaosilva.co.za/
http://www.lightstalkers.org/greg_marinovich
http://www.gregorrohrig.com/2009/greg-marinovich-and-the-bang-bang-club/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Oosterbroek
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Carter

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Regards,

Savageduck

From: Chris H on
In message <372dnZTSXqZouzrXnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Bill Graham
<weg9(a)comcast.net> writes
>
>"Giftzwerg" <giftzwerg999(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:MPG.2510ce
>b8d58a09669897d8(a)news-east.giganews.com...
>> In article <q5GdnRkp9JUInDrXnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, weg9
>> @comcast.net says...
>>
>>> During WW-II Guys like Ernie Pyle took hundreds of photos of dead
>>>and dying
>>> soldiers, many of which were published in the newspapers of the day.
>>
>> Cite?
>
>Sorry.....I got Pyle confused with Joe Rosenthal. Pyle was a journalist
>who wrote about the war, but he wrote his stuff from the war....That
>is, he was actually there. Rosenthal was the photographer I was
>thinking of....He was also there. He's the one who took the famous
>photo of the flag raising at Iwo Jima.....

Capa was with the US military on D-Day and a lot of his photos were
"reviewed and selected" by the military to limit the number of pictures
of dead US personnel. However that was a different sort of fight. That
was open battle field warfare.

Afghanistan is a police action where the military are trying to keep
things stable so the politicians and solve the problems,

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From: Chris H on
In message <MPG.25113b6ab1cc7c449897d9(a)news-east.giganews.com>,
Giftzwerg <giftzwerg999(a)hotmail.com> writes
>In article <372dnZTSXqZouzrXnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, weg9
>@comcast.net says...
>
>> >> During WW-II Guys like Ernie Pyle took hundreds of photos of dead and
>> >> dying
>> >> soldiers, many of which were published in the newspapers of the day.
>> >
>> > Cite?
>>
>> Sorry.....I got Pyle confused with Joe Rosenthal. Pyle was a journalist who
>> wrote about the war, but he wrote his stuff from the war....That is, he was
>> actually there. Rosenthal was the photographer I was thinking of....He was
>> also there. He's the one who took the famous photo of the flag raising at
>> Iwo Jima.....
>
>See, I only recall one instance of US war dead being shown on the
>battlefield, an image of Marine corpses on the beach at Tarawa - and
>even that image was different in a crucial way from the one being
>discussed here; the dead bodies were not identified nor recognizable in
>any way.
>
>Any number of such photos certainly exist, but I don't recall
>"hundreds" of them festooning the "newspapers of the day."

As far as I know the army censored (as all did in those days) to some
extent Many of Capa's pictures after D-Day were "reviewed and selected"
and it was a different situation. SO there were some but few pictures
of lots of [our] dead bodies.

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From: Chris H on
In message <h84b6v$sn$2(a)news.acm.uiuc.edu>, Doug McDonald
<mcdonald(a)NoSpAmscs.uiuc.edu> writes
>stephe_k(a)yahoo.com wrote:
>> Kulvinder Singh Matharu wrote:
>>> Came across this article about AP publishing a photo of a dying US
>>> marine and the controversy surrounding it. There hasn't been much
>>> news here in the UK about it but I expect that it's big news in the
>>> US.
>>>
>>> <http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/53173,news,photograph-of-dying-
>>>marine-joshua-bernard-was-it-right-for-the-associated-press-to-
>>>publish>
>>>
>>> I'm all up for showing how things are and the press have done so on
>>> may occasions, but at the same time the family must be very upset. So
>>> I'm in two minds about this. Storm in a tea cup? Or genuine concern
>>> on showing dead or dying NATO/ISAF soldiers?
>> I feel images like this might make just some of the "pro war"
>>people realize that yes fighting wars does cost lives. Shots of
>>soldiers lined up in a parade might be more pleasant but isn't
>>reality.
>>
>
>
>What about compensating images of al Qaeda's victims .. like the
>hrrobly burned ones from 9/11, of the Taliban's victims.

The Taliban did not kill anyone on 9/11... The Taliban are an Afghan
Political party. A bunch of Saudis hit the WTC and they were part of Al-
qeada. (both the Taliban and Al-Qeada were US trained and funded at
one time)

> Funny,
>we almost never see those people! Only the Left uses such images for
>their political purposes.

Actually there have been many such pictures and exhibitions of those
pictures. There was a whole TV program about one victim. The pictures
of the "falling man" have become iconic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Falling_Man

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0810746/

However the police were trying to stop people taking photos

On the other hand.... who asked permission of the victims and families
of those in the pictures taken by US Military when they were torturing
Iraqi civilians.....


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From: Chris H on
In message <ck0fa5tgeocdej6mmp67d48q7brumil4rn(a)4ax.com>, Avery
<Avery(a)home.?.invalid> writes
>Actually I have seen hundreds if not thousands of images of terrorism
>over the past who knows how many years. How many images were there of
>people jumping/falling from the New York towers? How many times did
>we see Saddam Hussein falling through that trapdoor? We saw that not
>too long after we saw "Shock and Awe" over the people of Bhagdad.
>
> Remember the images of firemen carrying bodies of babies out of
>that building in Oklahoma - Oh sorry, that was right wing,home grown,
>"USA is great" terrorism. That probably should'nt count.
>
>I still have burning memories of the Bali nightclub bombings, hundreds
>of images of suicide bombings in Israel and Gaza. How about some
>memories of the Spanish train bombs or the London bombings. And while
>we are at it how about Paschedale, The Ardennes, The Somme, Dresden ,
>Coventry, Changi , Burma Railroad, Hiroshima,Okinawa, Iwo Jima, Mi
>Lai.
>
>Have you ever read anything (I'm tempted to stop there) about the
>Catholic Church's Spanish Inquisition?
>
>I have barely begun to touch on the totality of the images of
>terrorism. You should not pick and choose.
>
>Terrorism is , and always has been a political weapon.
>How dare you suppose that only one side of the agenda partakes.


How dare you bring reality in to this argument?!

In this case the US establishment is happy to see pictures of dead
enemy but not dead US military.

On the other hand pictures of hostages etc killed by the enemy are
"useful" as it pushes up hatred of the despicable enemy.

The enemy don't want to show pictures of their dead fighters.... but
pictures of dead civilians show how bad the US military (in this case)
really is.





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