From: Chris H on
In message <MPG.250fe8244b4c79ba9897c7(a)news-east.giganews.com>,
Giftzwerg <giftzwerg999(a)hotmail.com> writes
>In article <g5oaa5dod6i4k5nfou0ikibsemv74pdqpd(a)4ax.com>, real-address-
>in-sig(a)lineone.net says...
>
>> Came across this article about AP publishing a photo of a dying US
>> marine and the controversy surrounding it. There hasn't been much
>> news here in the UK about it but I expect that it's big news in the
>> US.
>>
>> <http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/53173,news,photograph-of-dying-marine-
>>joshua-bernard-was-it-right-for-the-associated-press-to-publish>
>>
>> I'm all up for showing how things are and the press have done so on
>> may occasions, but at the same time the family must be very upset. So
>> I'm in two minds about this. Storm in a tea cup? Or genuine concern
>> on showing dead or dying NATO/ISAF soldiers?
>
>I think the photographer is lucky to be alive. If you were trying to
>snap a photo of *my* dying buddy, I'd blow your head off on the spot.

Somewhat ill-disciplined and unprofessional.

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From: Chris H on
In message <MPG.25104622629a1a879897cc(a)news-east.giganews.com>,
Giftzwerg <giftzwerg999(a)hotmail.com> writes
>In article <rroca5t3ughqimligo14aebo10f0ebkv1g(a)4ax.com>,
>xxxxxxxx(a)xxxxxx.xxxxxx says...
>
>> >I think the photographer is lucky to be alive. If you were trying to
>> >snap a photo of *my* dying buddy, I'd blow your head off on the spot.
>
>> And you'd wind up in Leavenworth.
>
><shrug>
>
>Photographer in middle of firefight catches bullet. Oops. Fortunes of
>war. How'd that happen.

Hence the reputation the US military has for being third rate. It's
people like you who destroy any good the US military might have done.

>
>Here, lemme get some nice shots of photographer with through & through
>gunshot wound in his eye.
>It'll look great in the papers! Won't it? I'm sure the photographer's
>family won't mind.

Same attitude to tortured Iraqi civilians.


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From: Savageduck on
On 2009-09-09 09:12:15 -0700, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> said:

> In message <MPG.25113b6ab1cc7c449897d9(a)news-east.giganews.com>,
> Giftzwerg <giftzwerg999(a)hotmail.com> writes
>> In article <372dnZTSXqZouzrXnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, weg9
>> @comcast.net says...
>>
>>>>> During WW-II Guys like Ernie Pyle took hundreds of photos of dead and
>>>>> dying
>>>>> soldiers, many of which were published in the newspapers of the day.
>>>>
>>>> Cite?
>>>
>>> Sorry.....I got Pyle confused with Joe Rosenthal. Pyle was a journalist who
>>> wrote about the war, but he wrote his stuff from the war....That is, he was
>>> actually there. Rosenthal was the photographer I was thinking of....He was
>>> also there. He's the one who took the famous photo of the flag raising at
>>> Iwo Jima.....
>>
>> See, I only recall one instance of US war dead being shown on the
>> battlefield, an image of Marine corpses on the beach at Tarawa - and
>> even that image was different in a crucial way from the one being
>> discussed here; the dead bodies were not identified nor recognizable in
>> any way.
>>
>> Any number of such photos certainly exist, but I don't recall
>> "hundreds" of them festooning the "newspapers of the day."
>
> As far as I know the army censored (as all did in those days) to some
> extent Many of Capa's pictures after D-Day were "reviewed and selected"
> and it was a different situation. SO there were some but few pictures
> of lots of [our] dead bodies.

There is a mythology over Capa's D-Day shots which is told in several
stories, none proven to be fact.
The first was that when he bagged his first rolls of his landing with
the first wave at Omaha Beach, they were sea water damaged.
The next was that the courier had dropped the bag into the water
accidently causing the sea water immersion.
Then there was the claim that Larry Burrows was a teenaged apprentice
working in the lab and he had made a goof in developing and was only
able to save six images giving us the blurred and smeared images in the
surf. That has become part of his legend.
Another lab tech who's name I can't recall also claims he was the one
who developed and saved the six damaged negatives.
None of the stories have been verified that I know of.
....but we do have those six haunting images.

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From: Chris H on
In message <sekda5lrdcla0m7quulstq81085csek5el(a)4ax.com>, DG
<xxxxxxxx(a)xxxxxx.xxxxxx> writes
>Giftzwerg <giftzwerg999(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>xxxxxxxx(a)xxxxxx.xxxxxx says...
>>
>>> If Obama wants to get Bin Laden, I'm all for it. If he wants to waste
>>> time, money and lives in Afghanistan with no end in sight then I say
>>> screw it and pull out.
>>
>>Amazing, isn't it, that The Most Competent President In US History(TM)
>>has *still* fucked the football on getting Bid Laden. Wasn't it a
>>looooooooong Democratic refrain that the problem was *Bush*?
>>
>>Guess not. Huh.
>
>
>Give Obama some time. Give him 8 years and I'm sure he'll get him.
>
>Read Jawbreaker if you want to know what went down. The orders came
>from the top to stop the assault on Tora Bora and the 800 requested
>Rangers were never approved/provided.

Of course not.... Tora Bora was a hoax.

The bombing looked good on TV. No US troops went in. British Special
Forces went in with British Infantry so US TV did not cover it. Why? All
there was were some small caves. Nothing like the complexes the Bush
Administration claimed

Had US Rangers gone in the US press would also have gone in and seen
there was no Tora Bora Complex

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From: Chris H on
In message <2009090909443219336-savageduck(a)REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck
<savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> writes
>On 2009-09-09 09:12:15 -0700, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> said:
>
>> In message <MPG.25113b6ab1cc7c449897d9(a)news-east.giganews.com>,
>> Giftzwerg <giftzwerg999(a)hotmail.com> writes
>>> In article <372dnZTSXqZouzrXnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, weg9
>>> @comcast.net says...
>>>
>>>>>> During WW-II Guys like Ernie Pyle took hundreds of photos of dead
>>>>>>and
>>>>>> dying
>>>>>> soldiers, many of which were published in the newspapers of the day.
>>>>> Cite?
>>>> Sorry.....I got Pyle confused with Joe Rosenthal. Pyle was a
>>>>journalist who
>>>> wrote about the war, but he wrote his stuff from the war....That is, he was
>>>> actually there. Rosenthal was the photographer I was thinking of....He was
>>>> also there. He's the one who took the famous photo of the flag raising at
>>>> Iwo Jima.....
>>> See, I only recall one instance of US war dead being shown on the
>>> battlefield, an image of Marine corpses on the beach at Tarawa - and
>>> even that image was different in a crucial way from the one being
>>> discussed here; the dead bodies were not identified nor recognizable in
>>> any way.
>>> Any number of such photos certainly exist, but I don't recall
>>> "hundreds" of them festooning the "newspapers of the day."
>> As far as I know the army censored (as all did in those days) to
>>some
>> extent Many of Capa's pictures after D-Day were "reviewed and selected"
>> and it was a different situation. SO there were some but few pictures
>> of lots of [our] dead bodies.
>
>There is a mythology over Capa's D-Day shots which is told in several
>stories, none proven to be fact.
>The first was that when he bagged his first rolls of his landing with
>the first wave at Omaha Beach, they were sea water damaged.
>The next was that the courier had dropped the bag into the water
>accidently causing the sea water immersion.
>Then there was the claim that Larry Burrows was a teenaged apprentice
>working in the lab and he had made a goof in developing and was only
>able to save six images giving us the blurred and smeared images in the
>surf. That has become part of his legend.
>Another lab tech who's name I can't recall also claims he was the one
>who developed and saved the six damaged negatives.
>None of the stories have been verified that I know of.
>...but we do have those six haunting images.

I have heard all those... One (on TV) to one of the people at the lab.
However it was on the days/weeks after that his other photos of the
fighting were "reviewed and selected" at the time.

I don't know if they have been published since.

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