From: Savageduck on
On 2009-09-09 03:51:53 -0700, Avery <Avery(a)home> said:

> Actually I have seen hundreds if not thousands of images of terrorism
> over the past who knows how many years. How many images were there of
> people jumping/falling from the New York towers? How many times did
> we see Saddam Hussein falling through that trapdoor? We saw that not
> too long after we saw "Shock and Awe" over the people of Bhagdad.
>
> Remember the images of firemen carrying bodies of babies out of
> that building in Oklahoma - Oh sorry, that was right wing,home grown,
> "USA is great" terrorism. That probably should'nt count.
>
> I still have burning memories of the Bali nightclub bombings, hundreds
> of images of suicide bombings in Israel and Gaza. How about some
> memories of the Spanish train bombs or the London bombings. And while
> we are at it how about Paschedale, The Ardennes, The Somme, Dresden ,
> Coventry, Changi , Burma Railroad, Hiroshima,Okinawa, Iwo Jima, Mi
> Lai.
>
> Have you ever read anything (I'm tempted to stop there) about the
> Catholic Church's Spanish Inquisition?
>
> I have barely begun to touch on the totality of the images of
> terrorism. You should not pick and choose.
>
> Terrorism is , and always has been a political weapon.
> How dare you suppose that only one side of the agenda partakes.
>
>
>

Here is an interesting one to consider from 1890, Wounded Knee.
http://www.lastoftheindependents.com/wounded.htm


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Regards,

Savageduck

From: Neil Harrington on
DG wrote:
> "Neil Harrington" <not(a)home.today> wrote:
>>
>> "Giftzwerg" <giftzwerg999(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.25109694840dbcee9897d5(a)news-east.giganews.com...
>>> In article <4aa6c94e$0$1631$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net>,
>>> scharf.steven(a)geemail.com says...
>>>
>>>>>> Surely, you aren't suggesting that we "cut and run' are ya?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never suggested this. I think victory in Afghanistan is
>>>>> essential.
>>>>> Fortunately, the new president appears to agree with me 100%.
>>>>
>>>> I think we need to define "victory." The Soviet Union realized that
>>>> Afghanistan was a hopeless case. Bush and his cronies paid far too
>>>> little attention to Afghanistan for political reasons, essentially
>>>> wasting eight years of effort and money. There needs to be a more
>>>> realistic plan.
>>>
>>> Yeah. Whew. I'm all ears. What *is* Obama's "plan?"
>>
>> Obama does not make plans. He makes speeches and promises.
>
>
> Well he's speeches and promises ahead of bush.

He may be "speeches and promises ahead of" every president we've ever had.
Has he made even a single promise that he hasn't already broken or is now in
the process of breaking? Other than breaking promises he hasn't done
anything but speeches and promises so far, and his agenda being what it is I
only hope he continues at the same rate of non-performance.

Note that the rest of the country is gradually (and belatedly) coming to
this same view. Most of the gullible folks who last November thought "Change
We Can Believe In" and "Yes We Can!" actually meant something good would
come of his election are finally getting their eyes opened.

The charts tell the story better than any picture could:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll


From: Savageduck on
On 2009-09-09 09:47:22 -0700, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> said:

> In message <2009090909443219336-savageduck(a)REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck
> <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> writes
>> On 2009-09-09 09:12:15 -0700, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> said:
>>
>>> In message <MPG.25113b6ab1cc7c449897d9(a)news-east.giganews.com>,
>>> Giftzwerg <giftzwerg999(a)hotmail.com> writes
>>>> In article <372dnZTSXqZouzrXnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, weg9
>>>> @comcast.net says...
>>>>
>>>>>>> During WW-II Guys like Ernie Pyle took hundreds of photos of dead
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> dying
>>>>>>> soldiers, many of which were published in the newspapers of the day.
>>>>>> Cite?
>>>>> Sorry.....I got Pyle confused with Joe Rosenthal. Pyle was a
>>>>> journalist who
>>>>> wrote about the war, but he wrote his stuff from the war....That is, he was
>>>>> actually there. Rosenthal was the photographer I was thinking of....He was
>>>>> also there. He's the one who took the famous photo of the flag raising at
>>>>> Iwo Jima.....
>>>> See, I only recall one instance of US war dead being shown on the
>>>> battlefield, an image of Marine corpses on the beach at Tarawa - and
>>>> even that image was different in a crucial way from the one being
>>>> discussed here; the dead bodies were not identified nor recognizable in
>>>> any way.
>>>> Any number of such photos certainly exist, but I don't recall
>>>> "hundreds" of them festooning the "newspapers of the day."
>>> As far as I know the army censored (as all did in those days) to
>>> some
>>> extent Many of Capa's pictures after D-Day were "reviewed and selected"
>>> and it was a different situation. SO there were some but few pictures
>>> of lots of [our] dead bodies.
>>
>> There is a mythology over Capa's D-Day shots which is told in several
>> stories, none proven to be fact.
>> The first was that when he bagged his first rolls of his landing with
>> the first wave at Omaha Beach, they were sea water damaged.
>> The next was that the courier had dropped the bag into the water
>> accidently causing the sea water immersion.
>> Then there was the claim that Larry Burrows was a teenaged apprentice
>> working in the lab and he had made a goof in developing and was only
>> able to save six images giving us the blurred and smeared images in the
>> surf. That has become part of his legend.
>> Another lab tech who's name I can't recall also claims he was the one
>> who developed and saved the six damaged negatives.
>> None of the stories have been verified that I know of.
>> ...but we do have those six haunting images.
>
> I have heard all those... One (on TV) to one of the people at the lab.
> However it was on the days/weeks after that his other photos of the
> fighting were "reviewed and selected" at the time.
>
> I don't know if they have been published since.

More Capa;
http://www.photo-seminars.com/Fame/capa.htm
http://www.skylighters.org/photos/robertcapa.html
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/episodes/robert-capa/in-love-and-war/47/
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Regards,

Savageduck

From: Pete Stavrakoglou on
"Neil Harrington" <not(a)home.today> wrote in message
news:GrydnS8g_uZ-JzrXnZ2dnUVZ_uudnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>
> "Giftzwerg" <giftzwerg999(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.25109694840dbcee9897d5(a)news-east.giganews.com...
>> In article <4aa6c94e$0$1631$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net>,
>> scharf.steven(a)geemail.com says...
>>
>>> >> Surely, you aren't suggesting that we "cut and run' are ya?
>>> >
>>> > I've never suggested this. I think victory in Afghanistan is
>>> > essential.
>>> > Fortunately, the new president appears to agree with me 100%.
>>>
>>> I think we need to define "victory." The Soviet Union realized that
>>> Afghanistan was a hopeless case. Bush and his cronies paid far too
>>> little attention to Afghanistan for political reasons, essentially
>>> wasting eight years of effort and money. There needs to be a more
>>> realistic plan.
>>
>> Yeah. Whew. I'm all ears. What *is* Obama's "plan?"
>
> Obama does not make plans. He makes speeches and promises.
>
>>
>> Exactly.
>>
>> On anything.
>
> Yes, but look at his inspiring slogans.
>
> CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!
>
> YES WE CAN!
>
> Both of them completely, absolutely, positively 100% devoid of any actual
> meaning, but look at all the people they have INSPIRED!
>
> Don't forget, Obama in one speech so inspired Chris Matthews that the
> latter said, "I felt a thrill run up my leg!" Now that is really
> something. How many professional news people get thrills running up their
> legs?

Calling Chris Matthews a professional news person is an insult to those that
really are.


From: Chris H on
In message <g5oaa5dod6i4k5nfou0ikibsemv74pdqpd(a)4ax.com>, Kulvinder Singh
Matharu <real-address-in-sig(a)lineone.net> writes
>Came across this article about AP publishing a photo of a dying US
>marine and the controversy surrounding it. There hasn't been much
>news here in the UK about it but I expect that it's big news in the
>US.
>
><http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/53173,news,photograph-of-dying-marine-
>joshua-bernard-was-it-right-for-the-associated-press-to-publish>


Also

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/episodes/robert-capa/in-love-
and-war/47/

should it have been published?

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