From: Bill Graham on

"Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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> On 2009-09-10 01:57:36 -0700, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> said:
>
>>
>> "Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message
>> news:q6as4DLVbKqKFA0F(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>>> In message <jsmdnaA0bb_FxDXXnZ2dnUVZ_hednZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Bill Graham
>>> <weg9(a)comcast.net> writes
>>>>
>>>> "Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message news:GqSn8JV7V9pKFAYl@p
>>>> haedsys.demon.co.uk...
>>>>> On the other hand.... who asked permission of the victims and families
>>>>> of those in the pictures taken by US Military when they were torturing
>>>>> Iraqi civilians.....
>>>>
>>>> What nonsense! Saddam Hussein was the one who, "tortured Iraqi
>>>> civilians" and for thirty years, too.
>>>
>>> So all those pictures taken by and of US military torturing Iraqi
>>> Civilians were fakes as was the trial of Sgt. English?
>>>
>> Oh....I get it......Ha!! You really call that, "torture" give me a
>> break......Do you know where that term comes from? It is the same root as
>> "torch"....You know, a stick with a burning flame at the end. When
>> applied to the skin, it causes severe pain and burns.......Sometimes you
>> guys are really funny......
>
> I thought you studied English in college.
> Torture is derived from the French , torture and the Latin torquere
> meaning "to twist." This was description of what the victim's body would
> do, twist in agony.
>
Or "put to the torch", but no matter.....When did any American do that to
any terrorist? That's the point......You like to get bogged down in
meaningless details, don't you? I suppose it is your substitute for logic.

From: Bill Graham on

"Rol_Lei Nut" <Speleo_Karstlenscap(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Bill Graham wrote:
>>
>
>>>>
>>>> Not so. Saddam Hussein was responsible for the deaths of over 2 million
>>>> Iraqi citizens over his 30 year reign as President. I can prove this
>>>> with my own calculations. I will be glad to send you my paper if you
>>>> send me a real email address off list.
>>>
>>> I have seen this "paper" it is pure propaganda... It doesn't stand up to
>>> scrutiny.
>>>
>> Boy does that tell me a lot. It is my paper. I wrote it from real
>> statistics. It is far from "propaganda". So this tells me more than
>> anything else you could say just where you are coming from. I applied
>> mathematics to printed statistics....What more do you want or are willing
>> to disbelieve than this?
>
> You obviously have no idea how to properly apply "mathematics" to social
> data.
>
> A basic idea behind statistics is "garbage in - garbage out" and not
> knowing how to use social data produces *lots* of garbage.
>
> Just because you might know a little math from being an engineer, you
> presume to produce more believable results than people who did their Ph.D.
> in sociology, social geography, social psycology and so on?
> Amazing....

My rough conclusion, that Saddam was responsible for around two million
Iraqi deaths over a thirty year period, has been verified by the US State
Department.. And I knew this from my own calculations before they published
that conclusion. And why is my conclusion any different from your PhD's in
Sociology, etc? How many people do they think Saddam killed in thirty years?
And what, exactly is their justification for their figures?

From: Twibil on
On Sep 9, 11:25 pm, "mikey4" <lakediver(a)dd..net> wrote:
>
> And another lefttard spews more BS and more lies

And of course from the centrist way you use "leftard" we can tell that
your opinion is totally unbiased...

From: Bill Graham on

"Giftzwerg" <giftzwerg999(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> In article <7aednVTrlfP_XjXXnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, weg9
> @comcast.net says...
>
>> Don't you know that the pilots who flew those planes into the twin towers
>> went to flying school here in the US? - There was much talk at the time
>> about how they never learned how to land the planes, but just studied how
>> to
>> take them off and/or fly them once in the air.....And why didn't the
>> instructors inform the FBI of this.....
>
> Because the Clinton Justice Department would have promptly investigated
> the instructors for violating the rights of Peaceful Muslims(TM)?
>
> Is this a trick question?
>
I am amazed that you didn't know about the pilot training the terrorists got
here in the US. I will Google it for you when I get the chance, as long as
you refuse to do it yourself......

From: Bill Graham on

"Giftzwerg" <giftzwerg999(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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In article <cL3xkEWi8MqKFAwW(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk>, chris(a)phaedsys.org
says...

> >> Don't you know that the pilots who flew those planes into the twin
> >> towers
> >> went to flying school here in the US? - There was much talk at the time
> >> about how they never learned how to land the planes, but just studied
> >> how to
> >> take them off and/or fly them once in the air.....And why didn't the
> >> instructors inform the FBI of this.....
> >
> >Because the Clinton Justice Department would have promptly investigated
> >the instructors for violating the rights of Peaceful Muslims(TM)?
> >
> >Is this a trick question?
>
> Are you suggesting the way the FBI works as grass roots changes
> overnight when the president changes? Is it a police/security force or
> a political movement?

I'm suggesting that leftists have an odd view of the functioning of
internal security services; they berated Bush for not doing the very
things - like surveillance and wiretapping of swarthy raghead-looking
motherfuckers - *before* 9/11 that they were against him doing *after*
9/11.

This is very true, but I would have just said, "they berated Bush". Why
bother to go any further than this?