From: Sam on

"RichA" <rander3127(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On May 4, 9:15 am, Charlie Self <charlie...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> On May 4, 9:02?am, John Bean <waterf...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 4 May 2007 04:36:33 -0700, Charlie Self
>>
>> > <charlie...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >I just checked U.S. prices for the K10D and the Samsung. Straight
>> > >body, K10D is $850 (minus 50 buck rebate), Samsung is $1000. ?That's
>> > >at B&H. Not for me.
>>
>> > Charlie, the OP is quoting UK prices so I assume he's in the
>> > UK. Samsung sells for a *much* lower price than Pentax in
>> > the UK, not the other way around as it seems to be in the
>> > US.
>>
>> > That's why I have a Samsung SA50-200 rather than a Pentax
>> > DA50-200 on my DS.
>>
>> > --
>> > John Bean
>>
>> John: Is the swing that great? When the rebate is knocked off, we're
>> talking about a $200 difference for essentially the same product.
>> Certainly, if I could get a GX10 for $200 less than the Pentax, I'd be
>> at least poised to leap, even though I don't really have the hots for
>> either one...but at $600!
>>
>> Of course, the OP was writing about either pounds or euros, both of
>> which are worth more than the buck. And his cost was $1,195. Argh!
>> Ouch. That's my wallet screaming in commiseration. I'm complaining
>> about, essentially, an $825 K10D. I apologize.
>
> For whatever reason, that Samsung is MIA, where exactly can you find
> stock in the U.S.? Kind of hard to sell vapourware.
> Reminds me of the Olympus E-400 debacle.


I find it a bit odd that Samsung commands a higher price in the US - are
they more associated with higher end cameras?, I wouldn't have thought so.

In the UK, while Samsung have a good reputation for other consumer products,
they would be last on the list for anyone thinking about a DSLR - which, I
suppose, explains the lower pricing as they build up credibility.

All I can say, having bought a GX-10, is that their stated goal to be a
major player in this market should not be dismissed lightly - they've made
some significant improvements to the K10D and now seem to getting the
message that purchasers of this type of product require firmware updates and
accessories.

They have the resolve and the financial clout to make them a company to
watch in the DSLR world. I expect their new CMOS chip to be used in
subsequent models, and that might well get them well and truly airborne.


From: Pete D on

"John Bean" <waterfoot(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 4 May 2007 06:15:08 -0700, Charlie Self
> <charliediy(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On May 4, 9:02?am, John Bean <waterf...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 4 May 2007 04:36:33 -0700, Charlie Self
>>>
>>> <charlie...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >I just checked U.S. prices for the K10D and the Samsung. Straight
>>> >body, K10D is $850 (minus 50 buck rebate), Samsung is $1000. hat's
>>> >at B&H. Not for me.
>>>
>>> Charlie, the OP is quoting UK prices so I assume he's in the
>>> UK. Samsung sells for a *much* lower price than Pentax in
>>> the UK, not the other way around as it seems to be in the
>>> US.
>>>
>>> That's why I have a Samsung SA50-200 rather than a Pentax
>>> DA50-200 on my DS.
>>>
>>> --
>>> John Bean
>>
>>John: Is the swing that great? When the rebate is knocked off, we're
>>talking about a $200 difference for essentially the same product.
>
> We have no rebates :-(
>
> There's a lot of variation but taking a single supplier who
> sells both the Samsung "kit" will sell for about the same
> price as the Pentax body, so you basically get the lenses
> free. The kit lenses are not cheap in the UK, I paid �129
> for my Samsung 50-200, the Pentax was �169 - that's over
> $300... So yes, you could easily save the equivalent of $200
> in the UK by buying a Samsung rather than Pentax, depending
> on what kit you buy.
>
>
>>Certainly, if I could get a GX10 for $200 less than the Pentax, I'd be
>>at least poised to leap, even though I don't really have the hots for
>>either one...but at $600!
>>
>>Of course, the OP was writing about either pounds or euros, both of
>>which are worth more than the buck. And his cost was $1,195. Argh!
>>Ouch. That's my wallet screaming in commiseration. I'm complaining
>>about, essentially, an $825 K10D. I apologize.
>
> Yep, that's the way it is. After saving your $200 equivalent
> by buying Samsung instead of Pentax here in the UK you would
> still be paying $200 more than US prices for Pentax. It's a
> funny old world.
>
> --
> John Bean

And the Samsung only supports DNG so you need double the memory compared to
PEF files when you shoot RAW.


From: Charlie Self on
On May 4, 12:36�pm, RichA <rander3...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 4, 9:15 am, Charlie Self <charlie...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 4, 9:02?am, John Bean <waterf...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 4 May 2007 04:36:33 -0700, Charlie Self
>
> > > <charlie...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >I just checked U.S. prices for the K10D and the Samsung. Straight
> > > >body, K10D is $850 (minus 50 buck rebate), Samsung is $1000. ?That's
> > > >at B&H. Not for me.
>
> > > Charlie, the OP is quoting UK prices so I assume he's in the
> > > UK. Samsung sells for a *much* lower price than Pentax in
> > > the UK, not the other way around as it seems to be in the
> > > US.
>
> > > That's why I have a Samsung SA50-200 rather than a Pentax
> > > DA50-200 on my DS.
>
> > > --
> > > John Bean
>
> > John: Is the swing that great? When the rebate is knocked off, we're
> > talking about a $200 difference for essentially the same product.
> > Certainly, if I could get a GX10 for $200 less than the Pentax, I'd be
> > at least poised to leap, even though I don't really have the hots for
> > either one...but at $600!
>
> > Of course, the OP was writing about either pounds or euros, both of
> > which are worth more than the buck. And his cost was $1,195. Argh!
> > Ouch. That's my wallet screaming in commiseration. I'm complaining
> > about, essentially, an $825 K10D. I apologize.
>
> For whatever reason, that Samsung is MIA, where exactly can you find
> stock in the U.S.?  Kind of hard  to sell vapourware.
> Reminds me of the Olympus E-400 debacle.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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From: Pete D on


>
> All I can say, having bought a GX-10, is that their stated goal to be a
> major player in this market should not be dismissed lightly - they've made
> some significant improvements to the K10D and now seem to getting the
> message that purchasers of this type of product require firmware updates
> and accessories.


Here you go again, "they've made some significant improvements to the K10D"

just what are these "significant improvements to the K10D"???


From: Pete D on

"Sam" <not(a)thisaddress.net> wrote in message
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> "Pete D" <no(a)email.com> wrote in message
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>> "Sam" <not(a)thisaddress.net> wrote in message
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>>> "Pete D" <no(a)email.com> wrote in message
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>>>> Wireless flash has been available since 1.10, what Samsung flashes are
>>>> you using?<<
>>>
>>> I've bought the Samsung SEF-36PXF, which is an identical clone of the
>>> Pentax AF-360FGZ. It cost �99.99, unlike the Pentax version which goes
>>> for between �150 - �200.
>>
>> Identical clone??? LOL!
>>
>>
>>>>> In fact, it's possible that the 'in lens motor' concept was a Samsung
>>>>> requirement at the planning stage of the K10D - GX10 - it was, after
>>>>> all,
>>>>
>>>> Rubbish, this is market driven because the big players have in lens
>>>> motors.<
>>>
>>> 'Rubbish'? - try not to be so agressive. I, personally, have little
>>> doubt that in-lens motors were Samsung's idea - they know what the
>>> market wants, unlike Pentax who were obliged to constantly reissue
>>> dismal variations of their 6mp *istD until Samsung put some money into
>>> the pot.
>>
>> And all yours did not work properly?<<
>
>
> You mean that there *are* some K10D's that meter properly and produce
> images without those attractive noise patterns?!! - amazing, what an
> astonishing world we live in! (snigger)
>
>
>>> Endless product delays are another Pentax specialty (645D,
>>> yone?....) - perhaps, this time, prompted by the fact that they are on
>>> the brink of going out of the camera business for good.
>>
>> Link to this "proof"??<<<
>
> I daresay that you're the sort of clueless fool who would demand to see
> the hole in the Titanic's side before getting into a lifeboat - for most
> people, at least those with a minimum of three correctly functioning brain
> cells, the writing is on the wall and it's extremely legible ;)
>
> At the moment Pentax is standing on the corner like a Tokyo tart, just
> waiting for someone to buy her.........I suppose you could say that Pentax
> is well and truly shagged bwwwwwwwwhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
>
>

???? Right! So when Pentax brings out two new cameras this year you will be
a bit surprised??