From: ASAAR on
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:46:37 GMT, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:

>> A pitifully low featured, anemic charger, and as you also noted,
>> the C cell adapter doesn't provide a perfect fit. Few people would
>> really need those adapters, which might in any case damage
>> rechargeable cells if they're not used to power digital devices.
>> This is normally the type of charger that you tell people to avoid
>> getting, and I'd agree. If that's the only NiMH charger a person
>> had, I'd recommend retiring it and getting a better one, possibly
>> only using the "freeby" one included with the eneloops as an
>> emergency backup charger.
> I have had no trouble using the C adapters. Why do you feel it would
> damage the cell? It is 1.2V like any other and the issue are the same as
> far as putting these in series if the are AA or C.

Unlike the shill/troll, you'll probably understand what I meant.
I've also used C and D cell adapters without problems, but haven't
found very much use for them. The important thing to note was that
I said that damage could occur if the adapters would be used to
power *non-digital* devices. I'm not aware of any digital cameras
that use C or D cells. But there are many toys, radios, tape
players/recorders, flashlights, boomboxes, etc. that use C and D
cells, and unlike digital devices, they usually do NOT automatically
turn off when the voltage gets too low. That's almost certain to
damage one or more cells unless you're *very* careful, due to cell
reversal. The greater the number of cells used, the greater the
risk. Devices that use only two cells aren't at too much risk, but
it's very easy to damage cells in devices that use three or more.
Many radios use 4 cells. Flashlights are commonly available that
use up to 6 cells, and most boomboxes use 8.

From: Thomas T. Veldhouse on
SMS <scharf.steven(a)> wrote:
>> Defined by what? Market share? Mind share? Revenue?
>> Who decided the cutoff between first and second tier?
> The consumers and the companies themselves.
> The top tier manufacturers will cover entire spectrum of digital SLRs
> from entry-level to "prosumer" to professional (just as they did with
> film SLRs).

So, you decided on how to apply this label yourself, right?

Do you consider Leica second teir? How about Hasslebrad?

They are both small, and at least one is having financial trouble. Does that
make them second teir? How about quality? Does high quality matter as to
what teir they are in?

I guess, what I am after is less metaphorical phrasing, as it communicates a
position of certainty that isn't accurate. Perhaps, using the phrase prefix
"I would consider ..." would reduce the misleading metaphor and illustrate
your opinion.

Thomas T. Veldhouse

We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the
machinations of the wicked.

From: ASAAR on
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:52:32 -0700, a very maroon colored SMS wrote:

> The AA battery is a little bit longer than a C cell, but for devices
> with the usual spring loaded contacts it's not an issue.
> I don't know where he got the idea that using the adapter would damage
> the cells. Certainly there are C & D cell sized NiMH batteries that are
> used in non-digital devices without any issues. It's probably just
> another thing he made up.

The only other time you accused me of making something up I proved
that you were wrong. You know that I did, and you repeat this lie
because, well, that's the kind of guy you are. If you can't figure
out how NiMH batteries can be damaged, you're either not very
bright, or you're not a very knowledgeable battery "expert". Damage
to NiMH batteries can occur with digital devices (as I've found with
several Sony radios that use 3 and 4 cells), but damage is far more
likely when used to power non-digital devices. You really should
stop boasting about your battery knowledge if you don't know or
can't figure out how the damage can occur.

From: Thomas T. Veldhouse on
Allen <allen(a)> wrote:
> In Austin (TX, not MN) the Costco Eneloops are packaged in a blue
> plastic case, which contains 12 AA, 3 or 4 AAA, a charger, and adapters
> to use AAs in C and D cell devices, all for $26.99. I haven't bought any
> because I bought 8 Rayovacs early on, and don't need any more. I have
> doubts about the worth of the C and D adapters.

Don't have doubts. We have a mid-priced elipitical trainer that uses D
batteries for several mechanical and control functions and the adapters work
great in it with the 2100mAh Rayovac Hybrids in them. I use a C adapter in a
a large clock and have no trouble so far. We also have a few cheap
flashlights I have considered putting D adapters into, but haven't desired to
put batteries in a flashlight that cost more than the flashlight itself ;-)

Thomas T. Veldhouse

We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the
machinations of the wicked.

From: ASAAR on
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:45:04 GMT, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:

>> Costco includes a charger and the C & D adapters.
> Not my Costco (in Minnesota). They only sell Sony (4-2700mAh AA and
> 2-1000mAh AAA) and Duracell batteries and chargers. The Sony Charger
> claims to do a conditioning charge as well. No Sanyo products at the
> Costco that I frequent.

I discovered that the eneloop package deal (which is only
available from Costco) is NOT available from Costco's website, and
isn't universally available at all Costcos. Some have it, others
don't. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a way to find out
which Costco stores have it other than by calling each one and
asking. I got a list of Costco locations from their website and
called the three nearest stores. One had plenty in stock, another
said that they once had some but they couldn't say if they'd ever
get any more. The third said that they didn't recall ever having
any of the eneloop battery kits.