From: Richard Karash on
Yes, I'm going back to some older images.

Scanning color negative film, mostly Vericolor VPS from 80's with Nikon
Super Coolscan V. Software is Nikon Scan 4 and VueScan (current ver).

Nikon Scan seems to do a fine job of scanning slides. The images are
"right" the first time. But, I cannot figure out how to control the
options in Nikon Scan, other than the basic positive vs. negative. The
scans of color negative film are awful.

VueScan does better, but still involves multiple steps. Can anyone
help me do it more simply than this:
- Scan the negative in VueScan. After manipulating the sliders, the
best I can get is a modest contrast image with a severe cyan color
cast. But, it's a 14 bit image, so there's hope.
- Save as TIFF. VueScan gives it a color profile of AppleRGB. I want
to open this file in Adobe Camera Raw, but I cannot. I assume it's the
color profile.
- So, I open the TIFF in Photoshop, convert to profile sRGB and resave
as TIFF.
- Then, open same file in Camera Raw (Bridge... select photo... Open
in Camera Raw).
- Here I can correct the color (grey eyedropper if there's a neutral
tone). This requires radical use of the sliders, but I get a good
image:

Temp +25
Tint +50
Recovery 50
Blacks 20
Brightness +20
Contrast +50 to +100

(The original VueScan TIFF is low contrast and cyan color-cast)

- Now, with the file open in Photoshop and roughly on the right mark,
I can work with it.

In VueScan, I have
- archive quality
- Digital ICE, the middle setting, not heavy
- Color Negative film... Vericolor...

Anyone have suggestions for getting good, reasonable color scans of
color negative film the first time??

Otherwise, I'm tempted to go to the mini-lab and let them scan to CD
with their Fuji Frontier.

TIA.

-=- Rick

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Richard Karash <Richard(a)Karash.com>
Richard "at" Karash "dot" com
From: Jufí on

"Richard Karash" <Richard(a)Karash.com> wrote in message
news:300720081310086097%Richard(a)Karash.com...
> Yes, I'm going back to some older images.
>
> Scanning color negative film, mostly Vericolor VPS from 80's with Nikon
> Super Coolscan V. Software is Nikon Scan 4 and VueScan (current ver).
>
> Nikon Scan seems to do a fine job of scanning slides. The images are
> "right" the first time. But, I cannot figure out how to control the
> options in Nikon Scan, other than the basic positive vs. negative. The
> scans of color negative film are awful.

Haven't used it in a while, but aren't there a few sliders along the side of
the main window that open to subsets of controls? I had good luck with the
Coolscan I had, and I do remember that there were a ton of controls and I
was usually able to get a nice scan, with a very few exceptions.

>
> VueScan does better, but still involves multiple steps. Can anyone
> help me do it more simply than this:
> - Scan the negative in VueScan. After manipulating the sliders, the
> best I can get is a modest contrast image with a severe cyan color
> cast. But, it's a 14 bit image, so there's hope.
> - Save as TIFF. VueScan gives it a color profile of AppleRGB. I want
> to open this file in Adobe Camera Raw, but I cannot. I assume it's the
> color profile.
> - So, I open the TIFF in Photoshop, convert to profile sRGB and resave
> as TIFF.
> - Then, open same file in Camera Raw (Bridge... select photo... Open
> in Camera Raw).
> - Here I can correct the color (grey eyedropper if there's a neutral
> tone). This requires radical use of the sliders, but I get a good
> image:
>
> Temp +25
> Tint +50
> Recovery 50
> Blacks 20
> Brightness +20
> Contrast +50 to +100
>
> (The original VueScan TIFF is low contrast and cyan color-cast)
>
> - Now, with the file open in Photoshop and roughly on the right mark,
> I can work with it.
>
> In VueScan, I have
> - archive quality
> - Digital ICE, the middle setting, not heavy
> - Color Negative film... Vericolor...
>
> Anyone have suggestions for getting good, reasonable color scans of
> color negative film the first time??
>
> Otherwise, I'm tempted to go to the mini-lab and let them scan to CD
> with their Fuji Frontier.
>
> TIA.
>
> -=- Rick
>
> --
> Richard Karash <Richard(a)Karash.com>
> Richard "at" Karash "dot" com

From: Richard Karash on
In article <iH1kk.410$aA5.331(a)trnddc05>, Juf� <b0wser(a)h0me.c0m> wrote:

> "Richard Karash" <Richard(a)Karash.com> wrote in message
> news:300720081310086097%Richard(a)Karash.com...
> > Nikon Scan seems to do a fine job of scanning slides. The images are
> > "right" the first time. But, I cannot figure out how to control the
> > options in Nikon Scan, other than the basic positive vs. negative. The
> > scans of color negative film are awful.
>
> Haven't used it in a while, but aren't there a few sliders along the side of
> the main window that open to subsets of controls? I had good luck with the
> Coolscan I had, and I do remember that there were a ton of controls and I
> was usually able to get a nice scan, with a very few exceptions.

Thanks... I knew there were controls but couldn't find them.

In Nikon Scan 4, one clicks the "Tools" button to get the palette of
sliders. Yes, there are controls for the scanner.

-=- Rick

--
Richard Karash <Richard(a)Karash.com>
Richard "at" Karash "dot" com
From: user on
Richard Karash wrote:
> Yes, I'm going back to some older images.
>
> Scanning color negative film, mostly Vericolor VPS from 80's with Nikon
> Super Coolscan V. Software is Nikon Scan 4 and VueScan (current ver).
>

I use a Coolscan IV ED scanner but on a PC.

Old negative film can be a mess. What you have to do, at least on
the PC, is to set up a scan profile in the Nikon scan window
for the exact type and age of film you have. THE critical part is
to use the "Analog Gain" part of the Tools Palette to get the exposure and
color balance near correct.

Use the histogram under "Curves" to be sure nothing is overexposed
(run off the right side of graph), or at least only specular highlights are
overexposed.

In some bad cases (the oldest Vericolor being one) you will need to
play with the Curves sliders themselves for the individual colors.
You may need to expand or contract the range of one or two colors.
In some cases you will need really violent changes here.

Once you get it right for one negative it will be close for others
with the same film type made at the same time. You can save these profiles
with "settings".

But the good news is that even the oldest color negs can be successfully scanned.

Doug McDonald
From: Richard Karash on
In article <g6qcav$iba$1(a)news.acm.uiuc.edu>, <user(a)domain.invalid>
wrote:

> Richard Karash wrote:
> > Yes, I'm going back to some older images.
> >
> > Scanning color negative film, mostly Vericolor VPS from 80's with Nikon
> > Super Coolscan V. Software is Nikon Scan 4 and VueScan (current ver).
> >
>
> I use a Coolscan IV ED scanner but on a PC.
>
> Old negative film can be a mess. What you have to do, at least on
> the PC, is to set up a scan profile in the Nikon scan window
> for the exact type and age of film you have. THE critical part is
> to use the "Analog Gain" part of the Tools Palette to get the exposure and
> color balance near correct.
>
> Use the histogram under "Curves" to be sure nothing is overexposed
> (run off the right side of graph), or at least only specular highlights are
> overexposed.
>
> In some bad cases (the oldest Vericolor being one) you will need to
> play with the Curves sliders themselves for the individual colors.
> You may need to expand or contract the range of one or two colors.
> In some cases you will need really violent changes here.
>
> Once you get it right for one negative it will be close for others
> with the same film type made at the same time. You can save these profiles
> with "settings".
>
> But the good news is that even the oldest color negs can be successfully scanned.
>
> Doug McDonald

Thanks, Doug.

-=- Rick

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Richard Karash <Richard(a)Karash.com>
Richard "at" Karash "dot" com