From: David Ruether on

"Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message news:2009091309555850878-savageduck(a)REMOVESPAMmecom...
> On 2009-09-13 03:11:49 -0700, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> said:

>> What has some local inter-party politics of a foreign country got to do
>> with photography?

> Well they got some pretty candid shots of all the participants, and the distribution was widespread. Without cameras and a few
> different types of photography, how would we have known?
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Savageduck

8^)

But, for those who are not in the US and are understandably bored
with what appears to be only a local-to-the-US issue (especially since
many of you know from experience with it that your single-payer
"socialist" solution to providing health care does in fact work very
well, and you may wonder why we don't just look at it from the point
of view of your experience), there is more involved - and I fear, much
as I generally abhor "doom-and-gloom" prognostications and conspiracy
theories, things are afoot here that are scary. From a distrust of government,
to the President, and courts, with a growing disrespect for the basic social
institutions, a growing "know-nothing" movements (like the "Tea-Baggers"),
all fed by some extremist media "professionals" that have gutted the
meaning of news as accurate reporting of facts and events on some
networks and major news programs and web sites, plus some "shady"
Christian organizations that have included a large number of publicly
discredited members who are prominent in government and religion, to
the rise of self-styled (and well-armed) militias which claim that the
government is oppressive and it is their duty to fight it. And then there
are the politicians, including governors, who speak of state secessions -
and, beneath all this junk appears to be a hatred for President Obama,
which can only be racism at its worst (much as we had hoped to be
well beyond that absurdity), as evidenced by the "birthers" who deny
Obama's citizenship in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary,
and the constant "demonizing" of someone who is so very far from being
evil as to be almost the epitome of honor, honesty, intelligence, and goodwill.
This does appear to be a time of "non-thinking" and ignorance among a
truly scary proportion of our population - with a mythological nostalgic
overlay of "wishing for things as they were". Hmmm... I guess that would
be, to be charitable, when people were "friendlier", had less crime, and
felt secure in leaving their houses and cars unlocked. Sounds nice (and
every house had a white picket fence around it, and a new Ford or
Chevrolet in the driveway, and there were none of them thar "illegals"
around to weigh down the economy [NOT!..;-]) - but this was a time
when the "Nig-graz" were expected to "keep their place" out of sight and
to serve in menial jobs at low wages, be humiliated by being required to
use separate facilities of all kinds, and to not expect to get a decent public
education. Great, huh? Then along comes an "uppity" (a VERY charged
word here in race relations) Black person of great abilities who is
overwhelmingly voted into the Presidency - and some still cannot accept
this. But, rather than being honest about it (they would look as stupid as
they are...), they try their best to undermine a potentially great President
by any method, fair or foul. So, having saved the economy from disaster,
people complain about the "bank bailout" and "auto bailouts". Having had
the temerity to FINALLY attack our extreme deficit resulting from health
care costs, people blindly holler about "socialists" (or Nazis - a complete
absurdity). And it will go on and on, with the deceptions, prevarications,
and downright lies about policies and a president that have some chance
of freeing us from our current messes, whether in war, international
relations, health care, the economy (and deficit), etc., mostly dumped on
us by our previous president. I guess the Right figures that "winning" is
more important than the welfare of the country and its citizens...
--DR





From: Savageduck on
On 2009-09-13 11:39:56 -0700, "David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> said:

>
> "Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
> news:2009091309555850878-savageduck(a)REMOVESPAMmecom...
>> On 2009-09-13 03:11:49 -0700, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> said:
>
>>> What has some local inter-party politics of a foreign country got to do
>>> with photography?
>
>> Well they got some pretty candid shots of all the participants, and the
>> distribution was widespread. Without cameras and a few
>> different types of photography, how would we have known?
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Savageduck
>
> 8^)
>
> But, for those who are not in the US and are understandably bored
> with what appears to be only a local-to-the-US issue (especially since
> many of you know from experience with it that your single-payer
> "socialist" solution to providing health care does in fact work very
> well, and you may wonder why we don't just look at it from the point
> of view of your experience), there is more involved - and I fear, much
> as I generally abhor "doom-and-gloom" prognostications and conspiracy
> theories, things are afoot here that are scary. From a distrust of government,
> to the President, and courts, with a growing disrespect for the basic social
> institutions, a growing "know-nothing" movements (like the "Tea-Baggers"),
> all fed by some extremist media "professionals" that have gutted the
> meaning of news as accurate reporting of facts and events on some
> networks and major news programs and web sites, plus some "shady"
> Christian organizations that have included a large number of publicly
> discredited members who are prominent in government and religion, to
> the rise of self-styled (and well-armed) militias which claim that the
> government is oppressive and it is their duty to fight it. And then there
> are the politicians, including governors, who speak of state secessions -
> and, beneath all this junk appears to be a hatred for President Obama,
> which can only be racism at its worst (much as we had hoped to be
> well beyond that absurdity), as evidenced by the "birthers" who deny
> Obama's citizenship in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary,
> and the constant "demonizing" of someone who is so very far from being
> evil as to be almost the epitome of honor, honesty, intelligence, and goodwill.
> This does appear to be a time of "non-thinking" and ignorance among a
> truly scary proportion of our population - with a mythological nostalgic
> overlay of "wishing for things as they were". Hmmm... I guess that would
> be, to be charitable, when people were "friendlier", had less crime, and
> felt secure in leaving their houses and cars unlocked. Sounds nice (and
> every house had a white picket fence around it, and a new Ford or
> Chevrolet in the driveway, and there were none of them thar "illegals"
> around to weigh down the economy [NOT!..;-]) - but this was a time
> when the "Nig-graz" were expected to "keep their place" out of sight and
> to serve in menial jobs at low wages, be humiliated by being required to
> use separate facilities of all kinds, and to not expect to get a decent public
> education. Great, huh? Then along comes an "uppity" (a VERY charged
> word here in race relations) Black person of great abilities who is
> overwhelmingly voted into the Presidency - and some still cannot accept
> this. But, rather than being honest about it (they would look as stupid as
> they are...), they try their best to undermine a potentially great President
> by any method, fair or foul. So, having saved the economy from disaster,
> people complain about the "bank bailout" and "auto bailouts". Having had
> the temerity to FINALLY attack our extreme deficit resulting from health
> care costs, people blindly holler about "socialists" (or Nazis - a complete
> absurdity). And it will go on and on, with the deceptions, prevarications,
> and downright lies about policies and a president that have some chance
> of freeing us from our current messes, whether in war, international
> relations, health care, the economy (and deficit), etc., mostly dumped on
> us by our previous president. I guess the Right figures that "winning" is
> more important than the welfare of the country and its citizens...
> --DR

Damn!
When I was initially faced with the obvious verbosity of your
explanation, I was prepared to write it off, until I read it.
I have to agree with all you have expressed.

To paraphrase Mencken; Never underestimate the potential for the
American voter to impersonate sheep.
:-)


--
Regards,

Savageduck

From: Rol_Lei Nut on
David Ruether wrote:
> "Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message news:2009091309555850878-savageduck(a)REMOVESPAMmecom...
>> On 2009-09-13 03:11:49 -0700, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> said:
>
>>> What has some local inter-party politics of a foreign country got to do
>>> with photography?
>
>> Well they got some pretty candid shots of all the participants, and the distribution was widespread. Without cameras and a few
>> different types of photography, how would we have known?
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Savageduck
>
> 8^)
>
> But, for those who are not in the US and are understandably bored
> with what appears to be only a local-to-the-US issue (especially since
> many of you know from experience with it that your single-payer
> "socialist" solution to providing health care does in fact work very
> well, and you may wonder why we don't just look at it from the point
> of view of your experience), there is more involved - and I fear, much
> as I generally abhor "doom-and-gloom" prognostications and conspiracy
> theories, things are afoot here that are scary. From a distrust of government,
> to the President, and courts, with a growing disrespect for the basic social
> institutions, a growing "know-nothing" movements (like the "Tea-Baggers"),
> all fed by some extremist media "professionals" that have gutted the
> meaning of news as accurate reporting of facts and events on some
> networks and major news programs and web sites, plus some "shady"
> Christian organizations that have included a large number of publicly
> discredited members who are prominent in government and religion, to
> the rise of self-styled (and well-armed) militias which claim that the
> government is oppressive and it is their duty to fight it. And then there
> are the politicians, including governors, who speak of state secessions -
> and, beneath all this junk appears to be a hatred for President Obama,
> which can only be racism at its worst (much as we had hoped to be
> well beyond that absurdity), as evidenced by the "birthers" who deny
> Obama's citizenship in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary,
> and the constant "demonizing" of someone who is so very far from being
> evil as to be almost the epitome of honor, honesty, intelligence, and goodwill.
> This does appear to be a time of "non-thinking" and ignorance among a
> truly scary proportion of our population - with a mythological nostalgic
> overlay of "wishing for things as they were". Hmmm... I guess that would
> be, to be charitable, when people were "friendlier", had less crime, and
> felt secure in leaving their houses and cars unlocked. Sounds nice (and
> every house had a white picket fence around it, and a new Ford or
> Chevrolet in the driveway, and there were none of them thar "illegals"
> around to weigh down the economy [NOT!..;-]) - but this was a time
> when the "Nig-graz" were expected to "keep their place" out of sight and
> to serve in menial jobs at low wages, be humiliated by being required to
> use separate facilities of all kinds, and to not expect to get a decent public
> education. Great, huh? Then along comes an "uppity" (a VERY charged
> word here in race relations) Black person of great abilities who is
> overwhelmingly voted into the Presidency - and some still cannot accept
> this. But, rather than being honest about it (they would look as stupid as
> they are...), they try their best to undermine a potentially great President
> by any method, fair or foul. So, having saved the economy from disaster,
> people complain about the "bank bailout" and "auto bailouts". Having had
> the temerity to FINALLY attack our extreme deficit resulting from health
> care costs, people blindly holler about "socialists" (or Nazis - a complete
> absurdity). And it will go on and on, with the deceptions, prevarications,
> and downright lies about policies and a president that have some chance
> of freeing us from our current messes, whether in war, international
> relations, health care, the economy (and deficit), etc., mostly dumped on
> us by our previous president. I guess the Right figures that "winning" is
> more important than the welfare of the country and its citizens...

Awk... Nice job!!!

With a bit of editing, a very nice article.
Still very interesting reading.

As much as I hope you're wrong on several points, the descriptions sound
chillingly accurate.

(Not in the US and not bored - at least not by intelligent posts.)

From: tony cooper on
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:11:49 +0100, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org>
wrote:

>
>What has some local inter-party politics of a foreign country got to do
>with photography?
>

This - coming from you - has to be the most outrageously uproarious
and hypocritical statements made in this newsgroup.


--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: David Ruether on

"Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message news:2009091312135077923-savageduck(a)REMOVESPAMmecom...
> On 2009-09-13 11:39:56 -0700, "David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> said:
>> "Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message news:2009091309555850878-savageduck(a)REMOVESPAMmecom...
>>> On 2009-09-13 03:11:49 -0700, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> said:

>>>> What has some local inter-party politics of a foreign country got to do
>>>> with photography?

>>> Well they got some pretty candid shots of all the participants, and the distribution was widespread. Without cameras and a few
>>> different types of photography, how would we have known? --
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Savageduck

>> 8^)
>>
>> But, for those who are not in the US and are understandably bored
>> with what appears to be only a local-to-the-US issue (especially since
>> many of you know from experience with it that your single-payer
>> "socialist" solution to providing health care does in fact work very
>> well, and you may wonder why we don't just look at it from the point
>> of view of your experience), there is more involved - and I fear, much
>> as I generally abhor "doom-and-gloom" prognostications and conspiracy
>> theories, things are afoot here that are scary.
[Rest deleted for brevity - see the rest above...]

> Damn!
> When I was initially faced with the obvious verbosity of your explanation, I was prepared to write it off, until I read it.
> I have to agree with all you have expressed.
>
> To paraphrase Mencken; Never underestimate the potential for the American voter to impersonate sheep.
> :-) --
> Regards,
>
> Savageduck

I have never seen anything like this short of (MAYBE) during the "Commie
under every bed" era (with McCarthy and cohorts) and its resulting wholesale
shunning of anyone who expressed anything even faintly resembling a "liberal"
opinion (yuh, I know - the base form of that word means "free"...;-). It looks
like the Right is trying to do this again - but fortunately a large number of their
leaders have been occupied falling flat on their faces (but not enough, alas, to
keep us out of trouble - and their followers just don't seem to notice yet that
their leaders are repeatedly proving themselves to be hypocritical liars, and
they still feel free to call honorable leaders liars without any real justification...).
Yuck!
--DR