From: D. Peter Maus on
On 9/13/09 16:34 , Bill Graham wrote:
>
> "D. Peter Maus" <DPeterMaus(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>> On 9/11/09 16:34 , Bill Graham wrote:
>>>
>>> Everyone (all 300 million of us citizens)
>>> should have a government ID card, and/or a chip implanted in us that
>>> identifies us as US citizens in good standing, and if we are sick, then
>>> the chip should get us the treatment we need. Today's technology is more
>>> than adequate to accomplish this.
>>
>> Be careful what you wish for.
>
> Well, we are fast approaching the alternative, which is to treat
> everyone as citizens whether they pay any taxes or are illegal aliens or
> not. If I am going to pay taxes, then I would like to be identified as
> a, "taxpayer" in good standing, and that means a valid ID that goes with
> me wherever I am. It will be my license to vote, and get medical care. I
> am very tired of paying for other peoples way.



My point was not that illegal aliens are to be separated from the
rights and privileges of citizens. In that we're in agreement. For
precisely the reasons you state.

My point was that 'chipping' brings with it the worst kind of
potential for abuse.
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"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:44:12 -0400, Walter Banks
> <walter(a)bytecraft.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Bill Graham wrote:
>>
>>> In my world, yes, yes, yes. Everyone (all 300 million of us citizens)
>>> should
>>> have a government ID card, and/or a chip implanted in us that identifies
>>> us
>>> as US citizens in good standing, and if we are sick, then the chip
>>> should
>>> get us the treatment we need. Today's technology is more than adequate
>>> to
>>> accomplish this.
>>
>>Well put
>
> Yeah, right. With the chip acting as a homing device for the
> government to locate us at any time. Besides, all the chip would
> accomplish is to give birth to a new industry: manufacturing
> counterfeit chips and implanting them in illegals.
> --
> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

Ah.....You are such a pessimist, Tony.....

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"David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Walter Banks" <walter(a)bytecraft.com> wrote in message
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>> Bill Graham wrote:
>
>>> In my world, yes, yes, yes. Everyone (all 300 million of us citizens)
>>> should
>>> have a government ID card, and/or a chip implanted in us that identifies
>>> us
>>> as US citizens in good standing, and if we are sick, then the chip
>>> should
>>> get us the treatment we need. Today's technology is more than adequate
>>> to
>>> accomplish this.
>
>> Well put
>
> I trust you two are joking... Talk about ultimate "socialism", ultimate
> government control over its citizenry, and just plain obvious potential
> for the development of ultimate nightmare despotism... THINK!!!
> (Sheesh!)
> --DR
I think of it as the lesser of two evils. Right now, the government is
giving my money away to the illegal aliens in bushel baskets, and they can't
even stop the illegal immigration into this country by those anxious to get
it. As long as they cant secure our borders, they might as well be able to
identify us payers, and be able to separate us from the "payees".

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"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message
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> Walter Banks wrote:
>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>
>>> In my world, yes, yes, yes. Everyone (all 300 million of us
>>> citizens) should have a government ID card, and/or a chip implanted
>>> in us that identifies us as US citizens in good standing, and if we
>>> are sick, then the chip should get us the treatment we need. Today's
>>> technology is more than adequate to accomplish this.
>>
>> Well put
>
> Carries "papieren bitte" to a whole new level.
>
> Why not just fingerprint everybody or pull a DNA sample?

Whatever works the cheapest and easiest. they can use the marks in your
eyes, too.

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"Allen" <allent(a)austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Walter Banks wrote:
>>
>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>
>>> In my world, yes, yes, yes. Everyone (all 300 million of us citizens)
>>> should
>>> have a government ID card, and/or a chip implanted in us that identifies
>>> us
>>> as US citizens in good standing, and if we are sick, then the chip
>>> should
>>> get us the treatment we need. Today's technology is more than adequate
>>> to
>>> accomplish this.
>>
>> Well put
> I'm mighty glad we didn't have this 380 years ago, or else the Indians in
> what is now would have killed, imprisoned or deported my ancestors. You
> see, unlike so many others who post, write to the newspaper, listen to
> LameBawl, etc. my ancestors were not the very first people to arrive in
> this land. Congratulations to those of you whose families have been here
> over 30,000 years and can make a legitimate claim to being the first
> settler (and owners). If you cannot make that claim, then you are thieves
> and most likely the descendants of murderers.
> Allen

I doubt if there exists anyplace on earth whose population were the, "first"
there. They have nearly all been taken over many times in the past by other,
invaders. (Perhaps there are a few very remote tribes that are "original".
but they are very few and very small in population) So it would be
impossible to return anywhere to it's original inhabitants.