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From: Rol_Lei Nut on 19 Sep 2009 12:36
Bill Graham wrote:
> If I were a professional house breaker, I would go to some country
> where no one is allowed to own a gun. That's just good common sense.
Unfortunately for you, those are the countries where neighbours are
friendly and look out for each other....
From: David Ruether on 19 Sep 2009 13:13
"Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote in message news:AeGdnVUozZlj2ynXnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
> "David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> wrote in message news:h90e2v$de5$1(a)ruby.cit.cornell.edu...
>> "Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote in message news:PLednSJvrajT6yzXnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>> Much the same with the latest ACORN scandal, which stunk so badly that even Democrats in Congress finally voted to stop funding
>>> ACORN. But you never even heard about it from ABC, CBS or NBC, did you?
>> [More nonsense deleted...]
>> What was shown on tape from a *few* ACORN locations (but where
>> were the reportings of the ones that threw out these imposters?)
> What makes you think ANY of the ACORN offices did or would do any differently from the ones on tape?
See above - this has been reported by those "non-Fox" *news*
organizations you mention, but so like to denigrate...
>> disgusting and stupid, but here we have once again the old absolutist
>> and uncritical Right approach of the non-thinking "they all must be evil",
>> and, "let's throw out the baby with the bathwater".
>>> Here, read all about it from a functional news organization and learn something for a change:
>> So THIS is where you get your (false) information from, huh??? LOL,
> Show something in it that you can demonstrate is false. Go ahead, I'll wait. Take your time.
How about the title itself of the article, which is obviously not true --
"ACORN Story Grows But Mainstream Media Refuse to Cover It".
From: tony cooper on 19 Sep 2009 13:34
On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:36:03 +0200, Rol_Lei Nut
>Bill Graham wrote:
>> If I were a professional house breaker, I would go to some country
>> where no one is allowed to own a gun. That's just good common sense.
>Unfortunately for you, those are the countries where neighbours are
>friendly and look out for each other....
Countries like, say, Scotland?
"A United Nations report has labelled Scotland the most violent
country in the developed world, with people three times more likely to
be assaulted than in America.
England and Wales recorded the second highest number of violent
assaults while Northern Ireland recorded the fewest." (2005)
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: Ray Fischer on 19 Sep 2009 13:39
mikey4 <lakediver(a)dd..net> wrote:
>"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message
>> mikey4 <lakediver(a)dd..net> wrote:
>>><stephe_k(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> mikey4 wrote:
>>>>> People are pissed because "they" have finely woke up to the fact that
>>>>> "government" is out of control and has been for a very long time.
>>>> Well I was pissed watching GWB spending BILLIONS on a war while giving
>>>> MASSIVE tax breaks to the wealthy. I was pissed watching him do NOTHING
>>>> other than watching the economy fail. Were you? Some of us didn't just
>>>> "wake up" because a republican wasn't in the white house. If Obama had
>>>> been handed a healthy country and done this, I'd be pissed right there
>>>> with ya, but that isn't what happened.
>>>My point here Stephanie is that this entire mess is a result of *both*
>>>parties screwing the pooch for *years and years and years*.
>> It is a fundamental policy of republicans to cut taxes for the rich
>> and reduce or eliminate government regulation while allowing
>> corporations free reign. Those policies cause this current economic
>> Lack of regulation allowed the finanicial collapse. Cutting taxes for
>> the rich left the middle class further in debt. Free reign for
>> corporations allowed them to cut worker salaries in order to give
>> countless millions to execs.
>> And when the middle class doesn't have money to spend, and when the
>> financial industry collapses, and when the rich ship their money out
>> of the country, then you get an economy that's in the toilet.
>Here we go with rays typical response. There was no lack of regulation ray,
>you really need to read up on the SEC and how it came about.
For the stupid: There were insufficient regulations to control the
sort of financial instruments that led to the collapse.
From: Ray Fischer on 19 Sep 2009 13:42
Bill Graham <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote:
><stephe_k(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:h916ml$lne$3(a)news.albasani.net...
>> Well I was pissed watching GWB spending BILLIONS on a war while giving
>> MASSIVE tax breaks to the wealthy. I was pissed watching him do NOTHING
>> other than watching the economy fail. Were you? Some of us didn't just
>> "wake up" because a republican wasn't in the white house. If Obama had
>> been handed a healthy country and done this, I'd be pissed right there
>> with ya, but that isn't what happened.
>I still don't understand about these, "massive tax cuts to the wealthy". the
>last time I checked, the more money you make, the greater percentage you
>have to pay, .....that's what the tax tables in the form 1040 tell me.....
That's the sort of ignorant thinking that gets rightards into trouble.
There are many ways the wealthy get to pay lower taxes. Her's one:
Long-term capital gains and dividens aren't taxed as regular income.
It's a flat 15% even before you find any deductions. So, if you own a
ton of stock that pays you $250/yr in dividends then you pay no more
than 15% of that as income tax. If you are given $100,000,000 in
stock by the company and you sell it a year later, you pay 15%.