From: Bill Graham on

"Rol_Lei Nut" <Speleo_Karstlenscap(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Rol_Lei Nut wrote:
>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>
>>> "SPAM.WATCH" <fart(a)thefreakspeechsore.com> wrote in message
>>> news:h8b588$irb$1(a)tioat.net...
>>>> USA is both the third largest nation, and yet is still a third rate
>>>> nation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Easy to say by someone who has never been both here and overseas. I have
>>> been to most continents, and I can tell you that I am now living (Salem,
>>> Oregon) in one of the best places in the world. The weather is
>>> beautiful, trees everywhere, and our supers are overflowing with fresh
>>> fruits and veggies, and wonderfully fresh meats, too. My health care is
>>> top drawer all the way, too. I am one hour's drive from the Pacific
>>> ocean, and about an hour in the other direction to mountains and great
>>> skiing. I am an amateur musician and there are so many good bands in
>>> this area that I have trouble deciding which ones to participate in. I
>>> could play anything from classical to Dixieland every night of the week.
>>> I have been to Europe, Australia, and Japan and China, and there has
>>> been no place where the living is as nice as I have it right now. My
>>> only real fear is that the liberal socialists will trash it for my
>>> grandchildren. But I have lived top drawer all the way.
>>
>> Your description of "paradise" could be of thousands of places around the
>> world. In the places you've been to, you obviously haven't had the time,
>> desire, open-mindedness or perspicacity to see their good sides.
>
> And by the way, where I live I don't feel the need to own a gun to defend
> myself (very little violent crime), I pay a pittance for what is probably
> better health care than BG has and, and, and... (the list could become
> *very* long!)

"Very little violent crime" you say.....All it takes is one instance to
leave you very dead. There is very little crime of any sort here in West
Salem, but I still sleep with a loaded pistol under my mattress, because I
am not stupid. If nothing else, I might have to use it against some radical
religious nut that decides to kill me just to get a few more virgins in his
crazy heaven. There's no accounting for the religious nuts of this world,
and it pays to be wary of them. I have been dealing with them all of my
life, so I know what I am talking about. You can do a lot of talking, Lei
Nut, but nothing you say can replace my 74 years of experience,

From: Rol_Lei Nut on
Bill Graham wrote:
>
> "Rol_Lei Nut" <Speleo_Karstlenscap(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7gui5fF2ra1ptU1(a)mid.individual.net...
>> Rol_Lei Nut wrote:
>>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "SPAM.WATCH" <fart(a)thefreakspeechsore.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:h8b588$irb$1(a)tioat.net...
>>>>> USA is both the third largest nation, and yet is still a third rate
>>>>> nation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Easy to say by someone who has never been both here and overseas. I
>>>> have been to most continents, and I can tell you that I am now
>>>> living (Salem, Oregon) in one of the best places in the world. The
>>>> weather is beautiful, trees everywhere, and our supers are
>>>> overflowing with fresh fruits and veggies, and wonderfully fresh
>>>> meats, too. My health care is top drawer all the way, too. I am one
>>>> hour's drive from the Pacific ocean, and about an hour in the other
>>>> direction to mountains and great skiing. I am an amateur musician
>>>> and there are so many good bands in this area that I have trouble
>>>> deciding which ones to participate in. I could play anything from
>>>> classical to Dixieland every night of the week. I have been to
>>>> Europe, Australia, and Japan and China, and there has been no place
>>>> where the living is as nice as I have it right now. My only real
>>>> fear is that the liberal socialists will trash it for my
>>>> grandchildren. But I have lived top drawer all the way.
>>>
>>> Your description of "paradise" could be of thousands of places around
>>> the world. In the places you've been to, you obviously haven't had
>>> the time, desire, open-mindedness or perspicacity to see their good
>>> sides.
>>
>> And by the way, where I live I don't feel the need to own a gun to
>> defend myself (very little violent crime), I pay a pittance for what
>> is probably better health care than BG has and, and, and... (the list
>> could become *very* long!)
>
> "Very little violent crime" you say.....All it takes is one instance to
> leave you very dead. There is very little crime of any sort here in West
> Salem, but I still sleep with a loaded pistol under my mattress, because
> I am not stupid. If nothing else, I might have to use it against some
> radical religious nut that decides to kill me just to get a few more
> virgins in his crazy heaven. There's no accounting for the religious
> nuts of this world, and it pays to be wary of them. I have been dealing
> with them all of my life, so I know what I am talking about. You can do
> a lot of talking, Lei Nut, but nothing you say can replace my 74 years
> of experience,

All I can say, though having a few decades less "experience" than you,
is that I would really *not* trade places with you.

Keep living in bitterness, resentment and fear...

I'm off tomorrow to try out a new tent, have a great time with a
fantastic GF and maybe even take some nice pictures... ;-)
From: Bill Graham on

"No One" <none(a)none.invalid> wrote in message news:h8djg6$1gi$1(a)aioe.org...
>
> "Rol_Lei Nut" <Speleo_Karstlenscap(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7guhkgF2ri88vU1(a)mid.individual.net...
>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>
>>> "SPAM.WATCH" <fart(a)thefreakspeechsore.com> wrote in message
>>> news:h8b588$irb$1(a)tioat.net...
>>>> USA is both the third largest nation, and yet is still a third rate
>>>> nation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Easy to say by someone who has never been both here and overseas. I have
>>> been to most continents, and I can tell you that I am now living (Salem,
>>> Oregon) in one of the best places in the world. The weather is
>>> beautiful, trees everywhere, and our supers are overflowing with fresh
>>> fruits and veggies, and wonderfully fresh meats, too. My health care is
>>> top drawer all the way, too. I am one hour's drive from the Pacific
>>> ocean, and about an hour in the other direction to mountains and great
>>> skiing. I am an amateur musician and there are so many good bands in
>>> this area that I have trouble deciding which ones to participate in. I
>>> could play anything from classical to Dixieland every night of the week.
>>> I have been to Europe, Australia, and Japan and China, and there has
>>> been no place where the living is as nice as I have it right now. My
>>> only real fear is that the liberal socialists will trash it for my
>>> grandchildren. But I have lived top drawer all the way.
>>
>> Your description of "paradise" could be of thousands of places around the
>> world. In the places you've been to, you obviously haven't had the time,
>> desire, open-mindedness or perspicacity to see their good sides.
>>
> He (Rol_Lei Nut) assumes that SPAM.WATCH has never travelled to the USA or
> overseas. Well that is an arrogant position. To assume his Republic is
> better than any other democracy in the World is pretty sad. the USA has
> pretty much the highest rate of violent crime.
>
> As for heath care, the USA requires you to be wealthy if you get sick.
> Many lose everything they own if the breadwinner has a heart attack, a
> stroke or contracts cancer.

Yes. Health care, like everything else, costs money and has a cost/benefit
curve that goes along with it.....How many heart transplants do they give to
80 year olds in one of the socialized medicine countries, like Norway or
Sweden?

From: Bill Graham on

"wrbrown13" <wrbrown3(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:36:20 -0700, Bill Graham wrote:
>
>> "Bob G" <mrbobjames(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:adbcdb79-6c7f-4021-8fc0-3adf608d7083(a)w10g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>>> Republicans would rather get jerked around by the corporations than by
>>> the government. Wait until you get a horrible diseaase and your health
>>> insurance company drops you like a hot potato.
>>>
>>> The fact is that this nation is now an oligarchy (and has been for
>>> some time) and not a democracy.
>>>
>>> How does that go, from the corporations, by the corporations, and for
>>> the corporations?
>>
>> That is what litigation is supposed to correct.....You still have the
>> right
>> to sue. But I never said that government couldn't regulate. Your health
>> insurance policy should list the stuff it doesn't cover, in large ten
>> point
>> type.......I would vote for a law like that.
>
>
> Now there's a thought. Sue a large corporation who has any number of
> lawyers on their staff and can drag litigation out intil you don't have a
> penny to your name. Great in theory, but a joke in reality.

They usually settle out of court. Why? Because juries are very sympathetic
to the little guy, and have been known to award many millions of the big
companies money to him.

From: Bill Graham on

"Bowser" <its(a)bowzah.ukme> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>
>>>
>> Obama is dedicated to stealing from the rich. (read: anyone with any
>> money) and giving it to the poor. (read: anyone who has no money) This is
>> called, "Robinhoodism". It is a story as old as time, and I have been
>> fighting it all of my life. Even when I was a little kid, and saw Errol
>> Flynn in the role, I knew that Robin Hood was, in the final analysis,
>> nothing but a thief. Just because he gave the proceeds to charity, that
>> didn't mean he had the right to steal.
>
> Bush gave the rich huge tax cuts, and as a result, in large part, we're
> (the US) is bankrupt and trillions in debt. Governments, democrat or
> republican, can't or won't stop spending money, so they'll take it from
> whoever has it. No mystery here.
>
> My idea is simple: abandon the income tax and use a value added tax. The
> more you spend, the more you pay. that way the rich get soaked and can't
> complain.
Talk about a gift to the rich! You don't think that richies like Bill Gates
wouldn't like that? He would get filthy rich overnight. You can only wear
one outfit at a time, and drive one auto at a time. The real rich don't
spend near enough of their incomes for the government to make any money from
your plan. It's ordinary people like me that would suffer and end up paying
all the bills. Even I would make out like a bandit. At 74, my appetite for
fast cars and fancy junk is no longer there.....I end up saving most of my
money for grandkids and the like. I drink a lot more prune juice than
Caviar, I can tell you that.....