From: Chris H on
In message <6c-dnXas5sKjMF_XnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Bill Graham
<weg9(a)comcast.net> writes
>
>"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message news:h9tef91qgs@n
>ews6.newsguy.com...
>> tony cooper wrote:
>>> On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:44:17 -0700, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Be sure to write the first time you encounter a CHP officer with your
>>>> idea that you have an inherent right to carry a concealed weapon
>>>> without a permit. I'd be interested to see how that plays out.
>>>>
>>>> I have spent many happy hours arguing exactly that with California
>>>> Police officers......My wife's grandson-in-law happens to be one. In
>>>> many cases they agree with my position on the matter.
>>>
>>> This is the ChrisH School of Reasoning. If you know one person who
>>> shares your opinion, that means "everyone" agrees with you.
>>
>> I had a police officer explain matters to me this way:
>>
>> "If you shoot me when I come to enforce a gun ban, I won't hold it against
>> you."
>>
>> Many police disagree with some of the laws that they are required to
>> enforce, but they do their jobs anyway.
>>
>They shouldn't. "It is the responsibility, not the right, of good men
>to disobey bad laws." - Spencer Tracy, in "Judgment at Nuremberg."

So how come the US military is still using torture and the excuse is
they were just following orders?

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From: Savageduck on
On 2009-09-30 00:25:32 -0700, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> said:

> In message <6c-dnXas5sKjMF_XnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Bill Graham
> <weg9(a)comcast.net> writes
>>
>> "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message news:h9tef91qgs@n
>> ews6.newsguy.com...
>>> tony cooper wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:44:17 -0700, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Be sure to write the first time you encounter a CHP officer with your
>>>>> idea that you have an inherent right to carry a concealed weapon
>>>>> without a permit. I'd be interested to see how that plays out.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have spent many happy hours arguing exactly that with California
>>>>> Police officers......My wife's grandson-in-law happens to be one. In
>>>>> many cases they agree with my position on the matter.
>>>>
>>>> This is the ChrisH School of Reasoning. If you know one person who
>>>> shares your opinion, that means "everyone" agrees with you.
>>>
>>> I had a police officer explain matters to me this way:
>>>
>>> "If you shoot me when I come to enforce a gun ban, I won't hold it against
>>> you."
>>>
>>> Many police disagree with some of the laws that they are required to
>>> enforce, but they do their jobs anyway.
>>>
>> They shouldn't. "It is the responsibility, not the right, of good men
>> to disobey bad laws." - Spencer Tracy, in "Judgment at Nuremberg."
>
> So how come the US military is still using torture and the excuse is
> they were just following orders?

That should work for Bill, the "Nuremberg defense."

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Regards,


Savageduck

From: Chris H on
In message <2009093000560911967-savageduck(a)REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck
<savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> writes
>On 2009-09-30 00:25:32 -0700, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> said:
>
>> In message <6c-dnXas5sKjMF_XnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Bill Graham
>> <weg9(a)comcast.net> writes
>>> "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message
>>>news:h9tef91qgs@n
>>> ews6.newsguy.com...
>>>> tony cooper wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:44:17 -0700, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Be sure to write the first time you encounter a CHP officer with
>>>>>>your
>>>>>> idea that you have an inherent right to carry a concealed weapon
>>>>>> without a permit. I'd be interested to see how that plays out.
>>>>>> I have spent many happy hours arguing exactly that with
>>>>>>California
>>>>>> Police officers......My wife's grandson-in-law happens to be one. In
>>>>>> many cases they agree with my position on the matter.
>>>>> This is the ChrisH School of Reasoning. If you know one person
>>>>>who
>>>>> shares your opinion, that means "everyone" agrees with you.
>>>> I had a police officer explain matters to me this way:
>>>> "If you shoot me when I come to enforce a gun ban, I won't hold it
>>>>against
>>>> you."
>>>> Many police disagree with some of the laws that they are required
>>>>to
>>>> enforce, but they do their jobs anyway.
>>>>
>>> They shouldn't. "It is the responsibility, not the right, of good
>>>men
>>> to disobey bad laws." - Spencer Tracy, in "Judgment at Nuremberg."
>> So how come the US military is still using torture and the excuse is
>> they were just following orders?
>
>That should work for Bill, the "Nuremberg defense."

He can't use that defence it is a [National] SOCIALIST defence.... :-)


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From: Savageduck on
On 2009-09-30 09:50:07 -0700, "Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> said:

>
> "Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message
> news:2SeryiCsfwwKFAFF(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>> In message <6c-dnXas5sKjMF_XnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Bill Graham
>> <weg9(a)comcast.net> writes
>>>
>>> "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message news:h9tef91qgs@n
>>> ews6.newsguy.com...
>>>> tony cooper wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:44:17 -0700, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Be sure to write the first time you encounter a CHP officer with your
>>>>>> idea that you have an inherent right to carry a concealed weapon
>>>>>> without a permit. I'd be interested to see how that plays out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have spent many happy hours arguing exactly that with California
>>>>>> Police officers......My wife's grandson-in-law happens to be one. In
>>>>>> many cases they agree with my position on the matter.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the ChrisH School of Reasoning. If you know one person who
>>>>> shares your opinion, that means "everyone" agrees with you.
>>>>
>>>> I had a police officer explain matters to me this way:
>>>>
>>>> "If you shoot me when I come to enforce a gun ban, I won't hold it
>>>> against
>>>> you."
>>>>
>>>> Many police disagree with some of the laws that they are required to
>>>> enforce, but they do their jobs anyway.
>>>>
>>> They shouldn't. "It is the responsibility, not the right, of good men
>>> to disobey bad laws." - Spencer Tracy, in "Judgment at Nuremberg."
>>
>> So how come the US military is still using torture and the excuse is
>> they were just following orders?
>
> No discussion of U.S. military "torture" can be complete without a reading
> of Ann Coulter's column on the subject, which puts it somewhat in
> perspective:

I was always understood, that a dinner date with Anne Coulter was an
accurate description of torture, or cruel and unusual punishment.

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Regards,

Savageduck

From: Twibil on
On Sep 30, 10:38 am, Savageduck <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>
> I was always understood, that a dinner date with Anne Coulter was an
> accurate description of torture, or cruel and unusual punishment.

Dunno.

I always thought that it would be fun to force her to share a hearty -
and prolonged- repast with Keith Olberman, and record the results for
posterity.