From: Chris H on
In message <7uo7c5l0ibdjce58lrvgo0n77co57nk54f(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper
<tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> writes
>On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:17:40 +0100, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org>
>wrote:
>
>>and I have
>>debriefed people in the middle east.
>
>
>Translation: I have shared a pint with some low-level returnees from
>the Middle East.

Those who survived gas attacks in Kurdistan in 1988, in the country some
50 miles from the incidents
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From: Chris H on
In message <ha0orl$1gq$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, mikey4
<lakediver(a)dd.?.net.invalid> writes
>
>"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:7uo7c5l0ibdjce58lrvgo0n77co57nk54f(a)4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:17:40 +0100, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>and I have
>>>debriefed people in the middle east.
>>
>>
>> Translation: I have shared a pint with some low-level returnees from
>> the Middle East.
>> --
>Or he ripped their underwear off :)

:-)
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From: DRS on
"Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote in message
news:CMKdncFx--3FeFnXnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d(a)giganews.com

[...]

> The Geneva Convention does not, as far as I know, offer any protection
> whatever to combatants who are not part of any recognized military
> force. If you think it does, show me where.
>
> Combatants captured not in proper uniform are not POWs and have no
> rights at all -- they can be and have been just executed on the spot.
> That's been the rule for at least a few hundred years.

Every person has rights. Many of the detainees at Guananemo have been shown
to have not been involved in terrorist activities and were captured by
mistake. That is why civilised countries insist on the rule of law, where
no person may be detained without due process, something the Bush
administration fought every step of the way. It is not acceptable to merely
deem someone a terrorist or a criminal by fiat. It must be established by
evidence.

> Now I think any reasonable person would admit that a little
> waterboarding is kinder and more generous treatment than being
> summarily executed.

There is no such thing as "a little waterboarding". It is torture and under
the terms of the international agreement signed by Ronald Reagan and
ratified by the US Senate America has no lawful option but to prosecute
those who engaged in it.



From: Neil Harrington on

"Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
news:2009093010380591745-savageduck(a)REMOVESPAMmecom...
> On 2009-09-30 09:50:07 -0700, "Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net>
> said:
>
>>
>> "Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message
>> news:2SeryiCsfwwKFAFF(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>>> In message <6c-dnXas5sKjMF_XnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Bill Graham
>>> <weg9(a)comcast.net> writes
>>>>
>>>> "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message news:h9tef91qgs@n
>>>> ews6.newsguy.com...
>>>>> tony cooper wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:44:17 -0700, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Be sure to write the first time you encounter a CHP officer with
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> idea that you have an inherent right to carry a concealed weapon
>>>>>>> without a permit. I'd be interested to see how that plays out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have spent many happy hours arguing exactly that with California
>>>>>>> Police officers......My wife's grandson-in-law happens to be one. In
>>>>>>> many cases they agree with my position on the matter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the ChrisH School of Reasoning. If you know one person who
>>>>>> shares your opinion, that means "everyone" agrees with you.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a police officer explain matters to me this way:
>>>>>
>>>>> "If you shoot me when I come to enforce a gun ban, I won't hold it
>>>>> against
>>>>> you."
>>>>>
>>>>> Many police disagree with some of the laws that they are required to
>>>>> enforce, but they do their jobs anyway.
>>>>>
>>>> They shouldn't. "It is the responsibility, not the right, of good men
>>>> to disobey bad laws." - Spencer Tracy, in "Judgment at Nuremberg."
>>>
>>> So how come the US military is still using torture and the excuse is
>>> they were just following orders?
>>
>> No discussion of U.S. military "torture" can be complete without a
>> reading
>> of Ann Coulter's column on the subject, which puts it somewhat in
>> perspective:
>
> I was always understood, that a dinner date with Anne Coulter was an
> accurate description of torture, or cruel and unusual punishment.

I'm sure that would be true for a leftist-"liberal." They tend to have
foaming-at-the-mouth conniption fits at the mere mention of her name.
Personally I enjoy her wit amd humor very much, so I'm sure I'd enjoy dinner
with her too.


From: Chris H on
In message <gaSdndFLGuUoe1nXnZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d(a)westnet.com.au>, DRS
<drs(a)removethis.ihug.com.au> writes
>"Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote in message
>news:CMKdncFx--3FeFnXnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d(a)giganews.com
>
>[...]
>
>> The Geneva Convention does not, as far as I know, offer any protection
>> whatever to combatants who are not part of any recognized military
>> force. If you think it does, show me where.
>>
>> Combatants captured not in proper uniform are not POWs and have no
>> rights at all -- they can be and have been just executed on the spot.
>> That's been the rule for at least a few hundred years.
>
>Every person has rights. Many of the detainees at Guananemo have been shown
>to have not been involved in terrorist activities and were captured by
>mistake.

However the experience of several years illegal detention and torture
turned most of them and their families into at least sympathisers of Al-
Qeada.

> That is why civilised countries insist on the rule of law, where
>no person may be detained without due process, something the Bush
>administration fought every step of the way.

And why the US is seen as a rouge stage by most of the world.

> It is not acceptable to merely
>deem someone a terrorist or a criminal by fiat. It must be established by
>evidence.

Afghanistan offered to give OBL to the US is the USA had any credible
evidence.... the USA could not produce any evidence and the Afghans did
not turn him over. SO the USA illegally invaded.

>> Now I think any reasonable person would admit that a little
>> waterboarding is kinder and more generous treatment than being
>> summarily executed.
>
>There is no such thing as "a little waterboarding". It is torture and under
>the terms of the international agreement signed by Ronald Reagan and
>ratified by the US Senate America has no lawful option but to prosecute
>those who engaged in it.

Agreed. The right wing in the USA sound just like the N.Koreans, Chinese
and the Israelis.

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