From: Chris H on
In message <ha36f9$a8j$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, mikey4
<lakediver(a)dd.?.net.invalid> writes
>
>"Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message
>news:ynS6$dBYkFxKFA+j(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>> In message <7uo7c5l0ibdjce58lrvgo0n77co57nk54f(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper
>> <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> writes
>>>On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:17:40 +0100, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>and I have
>>>>debriefed people in the middle east.
>>>
>>>
>>>Translation: I have shared a pint with some low-level returnees from
>>>the Middle East.
>>
>> Those who survived gas attacks in Kurdistan in 1988, in the country some
>> 50 miles from the incidents
>Not the ones who had been shooting at you, trying to kill you or had killed
>you friend next to you?

No they were lost Americans. Nothing new there... lost and panicked and
started shooting.
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From: mikey4 on

"Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message
news:ZosAcCUgYPxKFAap(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
> In message <JqOdna-LPKOkbVnXnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Bill Graham
> <weg9(a)comcast.net> writes
>>
>>"DRS" <drs(a)removethis.ihug.com.au> wrote in message news:gaSdndFLGuUoe1
>>nXnZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d(a)westnet.com.au...
>>> "Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote in message
>>> news:CMKdncFx--3FeFnXnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d(a)giganews.com
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> The Geneva Convention does not, as far as I know, offer any protection
>>>> whatever to combatants who are not part of any recognized military
>>>> force. If you think it does, show me where.
>>>>
>>>> Combatants captured not in proper uniform are not POWs and have no
>>>> rights at all -- they can be and have been just executed on the spot.
>>>> That's been the rule for at least a few hundred years.
>>>
>>> Every person has rights. Many of the detainees at Guananemo have
>>>been shown to have not been involved in terrorist activities and were
>>>captured by mistake. That is why civilised countries insist on the
>>>rule of law, where no person may be detained without due process,
>>>something the Bush administration fought every step of the way. It
>>>is not acceptable to merely deem someone a terrorist or a criminal by
>>>fiat. It must be established by evidence.
>>
>>In wartime, anyone who is a citizen of the other side that is caught
>>out of uniform in your territory is a spy, and can be shot
>>unceremoniously.
>
> No... Where did you get that stupid idea?
> Most countries have the death penalty for treason .
> A spy is tried as a CIVILIAN and when found guilty by due process is
> sentenced.
>
> It used to be shooting or hanging. These days in Europe and other
> civilised parts of the world we don't have the death penalty. We leave
> that to the axis of evil such as Iran, N.Korea, Israel, China and the
> USA (the USA executing more than any of the others)

Actuall you are worn about the US, what else is new, from guardian.co.uk
There were a total of 2,390 executions worldwide in 2008, of which 1,718 or
72% took place in China.
And you forgot to mention, and Japan, the other Asian countries to enforce
the death penalty last year were Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Japan,
Malaysia, Mongolia, Pakistan, Singapore and Vietnam




From: mikey4 on

"Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message
news:aVQQT5VSFSxKFAoE(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
> In message <ha36f9$a8j$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, mikey4
> <lakediver(a)dd.?.net.invalid> writes
>>
>>"Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message
>>news:ynS6$dBYkFxKFA+j(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>>> In message <7uo7c5l0ibdjce58lrvgo0n77co57nk54f(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper
>>> <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> writes
>>>>On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:17:40 +0100, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>and I have
>>>>>debriefed people in the middle east.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Translation: I have shared a pint with some low-level returnees from
>>>>the Middle East.
>>>
>>> Those who survived gas attacks in Kurdistan in 1988, in the country some
>>> 50 miles from the incidents
>>Not the ones who had been shooting at you, trying to kill you or had
>>killed
>>you friend next to you?
>
> No they were lost Americans. Nothing new there... lost and panicked and
> started shooting.
>
Really?


From: Chris H on
In message <ha37v9$mre$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, mikey4
<lakediver(a)dd.?.net.invalid> writes
>
>"Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message
>news:aVQQT5VSFSxKFAoE(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>> In message <ha36f9$a8j$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, mikey4
>> <lakediver(a)dd.?.net.invalid> writes
>>>
>>>"Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message
>>>news:ynS6$dBYkFxKFA+j(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>>>> In message <7uo7c5l0ibdjce58lrvgo0n77co57nk54f(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper
>>>> <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> writes
>>>>>On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:17:40 +0100, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>and I have
>>>>>>debriefed people in the middle east.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Translation: I have shared a pint with some low-level returnees from
>>>>>the Middle East.
>>>>
>>>> Those who survived gas attacks in Kurdistan in 1988, in the country some
>>>> 50 miles from the incidents
>>>Not the ones who had been shooting at you, trying to kill you or had
>>>killed
>>>you friend next to you?
>>
>> No they were lost Americans. Nothing new there... lost and panicked and
>> started shooting.
>>
>Really?

Yes they should not have been where they were and the last thing they
should have done was start shooting.
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From: Chris H on
In message <gNmdnZYj3NkWn1jXnZ2dnUVZ_h-dnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Bill Graham
<weg9(a)comcast.net> writes
>
>"Walter Banks" <walter(a)bytecraft.com> wrote in message news:4AC4F93B.AA
>6C9985(a)bytecraft.com...
>>
>>
>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. the problem is we are accustomed to more conventional wars
>>>where armies
>>> had a home country, and wore uniforms, and assembled together and took up
>>> arms against other similar armies. In a terrorist action, or series of
>>> terrorist actions such as we are now experiencing, few of the
>>>conventional
>>> rules apply. In some ways, it is similar to our civil war.....No
>>>uniforms,
>>> isolated bands of people shooting at other ununiformed isolated bands of
>>> people......And, in the same way, it is hard to establish rules of
>>>conduct
>>> that are cut and dried.
>>
>> Actually it goes right back to 19 April 1775 Americans won that one but
>> 200 years later have not learned the lessons it taught. History
>>before that brought
>> the assassins, ninja and many other unconventional warriors.
>>
>> w.
>.
>So we need new rules of acceptable conduct.
You got them in 2008

> And my question is, are the UN rules, and the Geneva Convention rules,
>applicable to fighting off these kinds of terrorist actions?
Yes... They were for the last 40 years in Norther Ireland.

> And, if not, then what are we to do before new rules are established,
>and who will establish them?

They have been well defined and used by many armies. It has just takne
the US military a LONG time to realise it's mistakes.

> Personally, I don't see any way out right now,
Well the US has dug a bloody big hole for itself/

> but for us to establish our own rules as we go.
Then you LOOSE and loose big time. The rules are already there the US
military has to adapt to them,


> And this means attacking other rogue countries such as Iran and North
>Korea as necessary to keep them from acquiring nuclear weapons and
>selling/giving them to terrorists. If there is some other way to
>prevent this, I am all ears.....

The main rogue state as seen by most of the world is the USA.

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