From: Bill Graham on

"Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message
news:1WlrDEaGVSxKFAsi(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
> In message <gNmdnZYj3NkWn1jXnZ2dnUVZ_h-dnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Bill Graham
> <weg9(a)comcast.net> writes
>>
>>"Walter Banks" <walter(a)bytecraft.com> wrote in message news:4AC4F93B.AA
>>6C9985(a)bytecraft.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes. the problem is we are accustomed to more conventional wars
>>>>where armies
>>>> had a home country, and wore uniforms, and assembled together and took
>>>> up
>>>> arms against other similar armies. In a terrorist action, or series of
>>>> terrorist actions such as we are now experiencing, few of the
>>>>conventional
>>>> rules apply. In some ways, it is similar to our civil war.....No
>>>>uniforms,
>>>> isolated bands of people shooting at other ununiformed isolated bands
>>>> of
>>>> people......And, in the same way, it is hard to establish rules of
>>>>conduct
>>>> that are cut and dried.
>>>
>>> Actually it goes right back to 19 April 1775 Americans won that one but
>>> 200 years later have not learned the lessons it taught. History
>>>before that brought
>>> the assassins, ninja and many other unconventional warriors.
>>>
>>> w.
>>.
>>So we need new rules of acceptable conduct.
> You got them in 2008
>
>> And my question is, are the UN rules, and the Geneva Convention rules,
>>applicable to fighting off these kinds of terrorist actions?
> Yes... They were for the last 40 years in Norther Ireland.
>
>> And, if not, then what are we to do before new rules are established,
>>and who will establish them?
>
> They have been well defined and used by many armies. It has just takne
> the US military a LONG time to realise it's mistakes.
>
>> Personally, I don't see any way out right now,
> Well the US has dug a bloody big hole for itself/
>
>> but for us to establish our own rules as we go.
> Then you LOOSE and loose big time. The rules are already there the US
> military has to adapt to them,
>
>
>> And this means attacking other rogue countries such as Iran and North
>>Korea as necessary to keep them from acquiring nuclear weapons and
>>selling/giving them to terrorists. If there is some other way to
>>prevent this, I am all ears.....
>
> The main rogue state as seen by most of the world is the USA.

Without either agreeing or disagreeing with this, what has it got to do with
the discussion at hand?

From: tony cooper on
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:46:14 -0500, "mikey4" <lakediver(a)dd..net> wrote:

>
>"Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message
>news:aVQQT5VSFSxKFAoE(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>> In message <ha36f9$a8j$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, mikey4
>> <lakediver(a)dd.?.net.invalid> writes
>>>
>>>"Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message
>>>news:ynS6$dBYkFxKFA+j(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>>>> In message <7uo7c5l0ibdjce58lrvgo0n77co57nk54f(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper
>>>> <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> writes
>>>>>On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:17:40 +0100, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>and I have
>>>>>>debriefed people in the middle east.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Translation: I have shared a pint with some low-level returnees from
>>>>>the Middle East.
>>>>
>>>> Those who survived gas attacks in Kurdistan in 1988, in the country some
>>>> 50 miles from the incidents
>>>Not the ones who had been shooting at you, trying to kill you or had
>>>killed
>>>you friend next to you?
>>
>> No they were lost Americans. Nothing new there... lost and panicked and
>> started shooting.
>>
>Really?
>
What do you think? Based on Chris's body of posting, he would claim
this no matter who they were or what the circumstances were.
Credibility when it comes to comments about the US or Americans is not
Chris's strong suit.

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: tony cooper on
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 22:55:18 +0100, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote:

>In message <gNmdnZYj3NkWn1jXnZ2dnUVZ_h-dnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Bill Graham
><weg9(a)comcast.net> writes
>>
>>"Walter Banks" <walter(a)bytecraft.com> wrote in message news:4AC4F93B.AA
>>6C9985(a)bytecraft.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes. the problem is we are accustomed to more conventional wars
>>>>where armies
>>>> had a home country, and wore uniforms, and assembled together and took up
>>>> arms against other similar armies. In a terrorist action, or series of
>>>> terrorist actions such as we are now experiencing, few of the
>>>>conventional
>>>> rules apply. In some ways, it is similar to our civil war.....No
>>>>uniforms,
>>>> isolated bands of people shooting at other ununiformed isolated bands of
>>>> people......And, in the same way, it is hard to establish rules of
>>>>conduct
>>>> that are cut and dried.
>>>
>>> Actually it goes right back to 19 April 1775 Americans won that one but
>>> 200 years later have not learned the lessons it taught. History
>>>before that brought
>>> the assassins, ninja and many other unconventional warriors.
>>>
>>> w.
>>.
>>So we need new rules of acceptable conduct.
>You got them in 2008
>
>> And my question is, are the UN rules, and the Geneva Convention rules,
>>applicable to fighting off these kinds of terrorist actions?
>Yes... They were for the last 40 years in Norther Ireland.
>
>> And, if not, then what are we to do before new rules are established,
>>and who will establish them?
>
>They have been well defined and used by many armies. It has just takne
>the US military a LONG time to realise it's mistakes.
>
>> Personally, I don't see any way out right now,
>Well the US has dug a bloody big hole for itself/
>
>> but for us to establish our own rules as we go.
>Then you LOOSE and loose big time. The rules are already there the US
>military has to adapt to them,
>
>
>> And this means attacking other rogue countries such as Iran and North
>>Korea as necessary to keep them from acquiring nuclear weapons and
>>selling/giving them to terrorists. If there is some other way to
>>prevent this, I am all ears.....
>
>The main rogue state as seen by most of the world is the USA.

You finally got "rogue" right. Now work on the difference between
"lose" and "loose". I thought the UK was supposed to have a decent
education system.


--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: tony cooper on
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 22:51:48 +0100, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote:

>However this was fully discussed in 2001 in UK.current-events.terrorisum

Well that's sorted, then. Nothing like a bunch of know-nothing net
kooks to set us straight on "terrorisum".

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: mikey4 on

"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:qrdac5147etus4d7gtfnovssdlq3tld07p(a)4ax.com...
> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:46:14 -0500, "mikey4" <lakediver(a)dd..net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message
>>news:aVQQT5VSFSxKFAoE(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>>> In message <ha36f9$a8j$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, mikey4
>>> <lakediver(a)dd.?.net.invalid> writes
>>>>
>>>>"Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message
>>>>news:ynS6$dBYkFxKFA+j(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>>>>> In message <7uo7c5l0ibdjce58lrvgo0n77co57nk54f(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper
>>>>> <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> writes
>>>>>>On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:17:40 +0100, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>and I have
>>>>>>>debriefed people in the middle east.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Translation: I have shared a pint with some low-level returnees from
>>>>>>the Middle East.
>>>>>
>>>>> Those who survived gas attacks in Kurdistan in 1988, in the country
>>>>> some
>>>>> 50 miles from the incidents
>>>>Not the ones who had been shooting at you, trying to kill you or had
>>>>killed
>>>>you friend next to you?
>>>
>>> No they were lost Americans. Nothing new there... lost and panicked and
>>> started shooting.
>>>
>>Really?
>>
> What do you think? Based on Chris's body of posting, he would claim
> this no matter who they were or what the circumstances were.
> Credibility when it comes to comments about the US or Americans is not
> Chris's strong suit.
>
> --
Maybe that has more to do with Britain's past history around the world?