From: Chris H on
In message <7ilpv9F3202mbU1(a)mid.individual.net>, Rol_Lei Nut <Speleo_Kar
stlenscap(a)yahoo.com> writes
>Bill Graham wrote:
>> I loaned my neighbor a gun. I thought he would use it to defend
>>himself against intruders. Instead, he went out and shot a dozen
>>people. Now, I am worried about what I should do about it. So, I
>>asked Chris H what he thinks I should do. Chris says, "You loaned him
>>the gun to begin with." So, I say, "Yes, yes.....but now, what should
>>I do? and, Chris says, "If you hadn't loaned him your gun to begin
>>with, you wouldn't have the problem you have now." And, I say, "Even
>>if that's true, I still would like to find a way to solve the present
>>situation. Do you have any suggestions?" And Chris says, "You
>>Americans always do the wrong things". So this is the logic of Chris
>>H. It solves nothing, and is of no use or help at all.....
>
>But before you loaned that neighbour that gun, all your friends (and,
>yes, they were real friends) from around the World told you that it was
>dangerous and a bad idea to loan a gun to that neighbour, giving you
>very good reasons not to.

This was back in the late 1970's and 1980's

>You responded by calling them cowards, renaming food items and being
>generally insulting and abnoxious.

Yes that was also the case then and now.

>It is little wonder that those friends are now thinking "I told you so"
>and are totally convinced that it is *your* problem.

What is the problem is the US wants a quick fix to today's problem
without understanding why it got were it is. This is because it will
have to admit mistakes and listen to others and take advice on how to
get out.


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From: Ray Fischer on
Bill Graham <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>"Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
>> I was just commenting on your twisted take on history.
>>
>Yes. Well, in logic, you are very much like an American Chris H. It's very
>difficult for me to carry on an intelligent discussion with anyone on this
>forum

Maybe if you got an education ...

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer(a)sonic.net

From: Savageduck on
On 2009-10-02 09:26:24 -0700, rfischer(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) said:

> Bill Graham <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>> "Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
>>> I was just commenting on your twisted take on history.
>>>
>> Yes. Well, in logic, you are very much like an American Chris H. It's very
>> difficult for me to carry on an intelligent discussion with anyone on this
>> forum
>
> Maybe if you got an education ...

It's OK Ray, he knows how to use an abacus.
He just doesn't know how to put the results into an historic context
because he didn't think that class valuable, because it was taught by
some leftist, socialist, commie, Democrat, union flag waving professor
who was stealing his money by telling him stuff he didn't want to know.

Bill would rather fabricate his own versions of history and Law, than
have to deal with historic fact and responsibility to comply with any
inconvenient Law.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

From: Ray Fischer on
Savageduck <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>On 2009-10-02 09:26:24 -0700, rfischer(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) said:
>
>> Bill Graham <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>>> "Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
>>>> I was just commenting on your twisted take on history.
>>>>
>>> Yes. Well, in logic, you are very much like an American Chris H. It's very
>>> difficult for me to carry on an intelligent discussion with anyone on this
>>> forum
>>
>> Maybe if you got an education ...
>
>It's OK Ray, he knows how to use an abacus.

I really doubt that. An abacus requires some skill to use.

>He just doesn't know how to put the results into an historic context
>because he didn't think that class valuable, because it was taught by
>some leftist, socialist, commie, Democrat, union flag waving professor
>who was stealing his money by telling him stuff he didn't want to know.
>
>Bill would rather fabricate his own versions of history and Law, than
>have to deal with historic fact and responsibility to comply with any
>inconvenient Law.

Bigots cannot cope with the truth. Never have been able to cope with
the truth. What usually happens is they die off and are replaced with
people who haven't learned the old bigotries.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer(a)sonic.net

From: Neil Harrington on

"DRS" <drs(a)removethis.ihug.com.au> wrote in message
news:UNidnVWBibNWclnXnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d(a)westnet.com.au...
> "Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message
> news:louP8iQosOxKFAND(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk
>> In message <gaSdndFLGuUoe1nXnZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d(a)westnet.com.au>, DRS
>> <drs(a)removethis.ihug.com.au> writes
>
> [...]
>
>> And why the US is seen as a rouge stage by most of the world.
>
> A rouge state? Only by the wingnuts in here. ;)
>
>>> It is not acceptable to merely
>>> deem someone a terrorist or a criminal by fiat. It must be
>>> established by evidence.
>>
>> Afghanistan offered to give OBL to the US is the USA had any credible
>> evidence.... the USA could not produce any evidence and the Afghans
>> did not turn him over. SO the USA illegally invaded.
>
> There is genuine dispute among international jurists about the legitimacy
> of the Taliban government given the state of armed resistance to it.

The "Taliban GOVERNMENT"?!

You seem to be saying that there is some question about whether the Taliban
is or is not the legitimate government there because the Afghan government
and army are showing "armed resistance to it." That certainly seems an odd
view.