From: DRS on
"John A." <john(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:52:25 -0700, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> "John A." <john(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:cp63b59d8hrrav15d8dnuugq4h654ub9ni(a)4ax.com...

[...]

>>> The AMA originally lobbied against the way we do it here.
>>
>> Then your congressmen are a lot more honest than are ours.
>
> The *A*MA and I are in the USA, Bill.

Oh, you meant the *American* Medical Association. You should have said so.



From: Bob Larter on
DRS wrote:
> "Bob Larter" <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4ab10a6e$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au
>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>> If you consider $1000 to $3000 per month to be a "minimum" amount of
>>> money.
>> Yeah, those sorts of figures astound me. In Australia, people were
>> bitching when the government increased the Medicare levy from 1% to
>> 1.5% of salary.
>
> Just to be clear, that's per annum, although it doesn't take into account
> the Medicare levy surcharge (1% of taxable income) for those without private
> health insurance whose income exceeds the threshold (eg, single person, no
> dependants = AU$70,000; person with spouse, no dependants = AU$140,000;
> etc), so they end up paying 2.5%. Thus, a single person without kids on
> AU$100,000pa without private cover would pay AU$2,500pa, or just over
> AU$208pm.

<nods>
And it's worth mentioning that in Australia, AU$100,000pa is a very,
very good salary.

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From: Ray Fischer on
Bob Larter <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>SMS wrote:
>> Bob Larter wrote:
>>
>>> Don't you think it's kind of hypocritical that on the one hand
>>> right-wingers oppose abortion, calling it murder, and yet on the other
>>> hand, they support the death penalty?
>>
>> Actually no. With abortion I can at least understand their opposition,
>> even if I don't agree with it.
>>
>> At what number of weeks in the pregnancy would you say that abortion is
>> no longer acceptable? Clearly few people would support it at 38 weeks.
>> What about 27 weeks?
>
>Given that my son was born at 26 weeks, & is now a perfectly healthy 8
>year old, abortions as late as that do bother me a lot.

Less than 1% of all abortions occur in the 3rd trimester and those few
are almost always done for medical need.

> That said, I
>still believe that the woman's right to choose trumps the rights of the
>foetus.
>
>> While their opposition to RU486 is pretty
>> ridiculous, at least you can see where they are coming from in opposing
>> abortion after the fetus is more than a few weeks old.
>
>My personal dividing line is at the point where the foetus is viable
>outside the womb. Currently, I think that's around 24 weeks.

Only if you have a million dollars to spend on medical care. A more
practical limit of viability would be around 33 weeks.

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From: Bob Larter on
Bill Graham wrote:
>
> "Bob Larter" <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4ab10a6e$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>> Bill Graham <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> "Andrew Cook" <nospam(a)nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>
>>>>> I'm having difficulty working out how free competion works in health
>>>>> care.
>>>>>
>>>>> Say I've just been shot / had a heart attack / have some other
>>>>> immediately life threatening illness. How does 'free competion in
>>>>> healthcare' help me? I don't have time to shop around between multiple
>>>>> providers - my options are get in the first ambulance and go to the
>>>>> nearest hospital, or die.
>>>>>
>>>>> Them when I can't afford the co-pay, I either don't have it, or con
>>>>> the
>>>>> hospital I can afford it then go bankrupt later - competition doesn't
>>>>> help me there either.
>>>>>
>>>> The free competition allows you to buy a very good health insurance
>>>> policy for a minimum amount of money.
>>>
>>> If you consider $1000 to $3000 per month to be a "minimum" amount of
>>> money.
>>
>> Yeah, those sorts of figures astound me. In Australia, people were
>> bitching when the government increased the Medicare levy from 1% to
>> 1.5% of salary.
>
> Well, you guys need an AMA to lobby your congressmen the way they do
> here......

Doctors here make very good money.

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From: Bob Larter on
Bill Graham wrote:
>
> "John A." <john(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
> news:cp63b59d8hrrav15d8dnuugq4h654ub9ni(a)4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:20:26 -0700, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Bob Larter" <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4ab10a6e$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>>>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>> Bill Graham <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> "Andrew Cook" <nospam(a)nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm having difficulty working out how free competion works in health
>>>>>>> care.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Say I've just been shot / had a heart attack / have some other
>>>>>>> immediately life threatening illness. How does 'free competion in
>>>>>>> healthcare' help me? I don't have time to shop around between
>>>>>>> multiple
>>>>>>> providers - my options are get in the first ambulance and go to the
>>>>>>> nearest hospital, or die.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Them when I can't afford the co-pay, I either don't have it, or
>>>>>>> con the
>>>>>>> hospital I can afford it then go bankrupt later - competition
>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>> help me there either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The free competition allows you to buy a very good health insurance
>>>>>> policy for a minimum amount of money.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you consider $1000 to $3000 per month to be a "minimum" amount of
>>>>> money.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, those sorts of figures astound me. In Australia, people were
>>>> bitching when the government increased the Medicare levy from 1% to
>>>> 1.5%
>>>> of salary.
>>>
>>> Well, you guys need an AMA to lobby your congressmen the way they do
>>> here......
>>
>> The AMA originally lobbied against the way we do it here.
>
> Then your congressmen are a lot more honest than are ours.

We don't allow lobbyists here to make massive 'campaign contributions'
to our politicians.

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