From: mikey4 on

"John A." <john(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:05:58 -0500, "mikey4" <lakediver(a)dd..net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"John A." <john(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:3c78b5dkq4ve4qi6qnm42q1ckc8c12drte(a)4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:13:55 -0500, "mikey4" <lakediver(a)dd..net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>><stephe_k(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:h8uvvd$d18$1(a)news.albasani.net...
>>>>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We have been over this ground too many times already. Let's just look
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> the present and near future.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well you might need to look at what Obama was handed by GWB before you
>>>>> try
>>>>> to blame him for where we are.
>>>>>
>>>>No, look at what conress and the senate handed him.
>>>>You really need to learn *who* spends the money.
>>>
>>> Congress was stupid to give the Bush administration so much latitude
>>> as to where the bailout funds would go. Given the administrations
>>> crisis management track record they should have known better and put
>>> more restrictions and oversight on it.
>>>
>>"Congress was stupid". Almost right John however it should have read
>>"Congress IS stupid and greedy and full of it's self."
>
> "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" is only scary when the
> people who believe it's scary are in charge.
>
> I think it's been noted elsewhere that you don't seem to want any sort
> of government, and also that there are such countries in the world you
> might try and see if you are happier living in.

I think you have missed the point. "I'm from the government and I'm here to
help" is only scary when the
people who believe it's scary are in charge." I disagree. It is scary
when you see the out come of the help.
I am not painting *all* government workers only the leaders of both houses.



From: Chris Malcolm on
In rec.photo.digital J. Clarke <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote:
> Chris Malcolm wrote:
>> In rec.photo.digital D. Peter Maus <DPeterMaus(a)worldnet.att.net>
>> wrote:
>>>> "D. Peter Maus" <DPeterMaus(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:h8uea5$q21$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> On 9/17/09 17:33 , SMS wrote:
>>>>>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's amazing how few people here break into houses, when they
>>>>>>> know that the occupants probably have a gun.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In fact, the opposite is true. Nearly all break-ins occur when the
>>>>>> occupants are not home. Guns are one of the items most likely to
>>>>>> be stolen in house break-ins.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I were a professional house breaker, I would go to some
>>>>>>> country where no one is allowed to own a gun. That's just good
>>>>>>> common sense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A professional "house breaker" does not break into houses that are
>>>>>> occupied. They do break into houses where they think fence-able
>>>>>> items are available. An indication that the homeowner is a member
>>>>>> of the NRA would indicate the probability that handguns are
>>>>>> stored in the house.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want to prevent break-ins, install security cameras,
>>>>> alarms, and
>>>>>> get a dog that barks a lot when strangers approach. You'll be
>>>>>> much more likely to prevent a break-in than you would by owning a
>>>>>> gun.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Um...when Morton Grove banned handguns, home invasions went up
>>>>> 128%.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Just look at the crime rate in New York City, where handguns have
>>>> been illegal all of my life.
>>
>>> Or DC.
>>
>> Or Tokyo, where people leave their suitases out on the street while
>> they have a cup of tea inside the house waiting for a taxi, leave
>> their bicycles in the street unlocked with shopping in the basket when
>> they're shopping, and where ex-pat American women say how amazing it
>> is to be able to walk the streets alone at night feeling quite safe.
>>
>> There's more to the problem than guns -- the elephant in the room
>> nobody wants to talk about is why are US cities such savage places?

> Imagine there being an office with a sign on the door that says "Mafia
> Headquarters", a Mafia-published newsletter reporting accurately their
> activities, and community services openly provided by the Mafia, Mafiosi
> running around in a corporate uniform, with any criminal not authorized by
> the Mafia likely to have a very short life.

> Well it's like that in Japan. Google "Yakuza". Nobody would accuse them of
> being "nice guys" but they have rules, and anyone wanting to be a live
> criminal in Japan follows them.

So the reason the streets of Tokyo are as safe as a remote English
country village are not because the Japanese population is so well
behaved, but because the Japanese criminals are so well behaved :-)

--
Chris Malcolm
From: Neil Harrington on

"John A." <john(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:22:44 -0700, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bob Larter" <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:4ab10bc3$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Douglas Johnson" <post(a)classtech.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:bm0la513ptifqd2htorhffbk4a24j9sbtg(a)4ax.com...
>>>>> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> .....Can I blame the liberals for it? After all, it is a socialist
>>>>>> idea. Can
>>>>>> anyone get food simply by putting their feet on a supermarkets
>>>>>> property? If
>>>>>> so, then would you go for the idea today that food should be
>>>>>> socialized? How
>>>>>> about getting a room for the night by simply setting foot on a
>>>>>> hotel's
>>>>>> property?
>>>>>
>>>>> So you have a heart attack. The paramedics show up. Should they
>>>>> require proof
>>>>> of citizenship or ability to pay before starting CPR? Or before they
>>>>> transport
>>>>> you to the hospital? Should the hospital require it before they treat
>>>>> you?
>>>>
>>>> In my world, yes, yes, yes. Everyone (all 300 million of us citizens)
>>>> should have a government ID card, and/or a chip implanted in us that
>>>> identifies us as US citizens in good standing, and if we are sick, then
>>>> the chip should get us the treatment we need. Today's technology is
>>>> more
>>>> than adequate to accomplish this.
>>>
>>> Jeez. Ever read 1984?
>>>
>>I don't remember whether they had illegal aliens living off the dole in
>>"1984".
>
> They were double-plus undocumented. :)

Which is doubleplus ungood.


From: Neil Harrington on

"Bob Larter" <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Bill Graham wrote:
>>
>> "Bob Larter" <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4ab10bc3$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Douglas Johnson" <post(a)classtech.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:bm0la513ptifqd2htorhffbk4a24j9sbtg(a)4ax.com...
>>>>> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> .....Can I blame the liberals for it? After all, it is a socialist
>>>>>> idea. Can
>>>>>> anyone get food simply by putting their feet on a supermarkets
>>>>>> property? If
>>>>>> so, then would you go for the idea today that food should be
>>>>>> socialized? How
>>>>>> about getting a room for the night by simply setting foot on a
>>>>>> hotel's
>>>>>> property?
>>>>>
>>>>> So you have a heart attack. The paramedics show up. Should they
>>>>> require proof
>>>>> of citizenship or ability to pay before starting CPR? Or before they
>>>>> transport
>>>>> you to the hospital? Should the hospital require it before they treat
>>>>> you?
>>>>
>>>> In my world, yes, yes, yes. Everyone (all 300 million of us citizens)
>>>> should have a government ID card, and/or a chip implanted in us that
>>>> identifies us as US citizens in good standing, and if we are sick, then
>>>> the chip should get us the treatment we need. Today's technology is
>>>> more than adequate to accomplish this.
>>>
>>> Jeez. Ever read 1984?
>>>
>> I don't remember whether they had illegal aliens living off the dole in
>> "1984".
>
> *whooosh!*

Where's the "whooosh!," Bob?

Most of us, adults at least, already carry ID routinely. I can't legally
drive my car without it, can you? I can't legally carry a pistol without it,
either. Of course if you live in Australia or someplace like that you can't
do the latter anyway, but there you are: having to carry ID doesn't take
away a right that I have and you don't whether you carry ID or not.


From: Neil Harrington on

"David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote in message
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>
>> Much the same with the latest ACORN scandal, which stunk so badly that
>> even Democrats in Congress finally voted to stop funding ACORN. But you
>> never even heard about it from ABC, CBS or NBC, did you?
> [Nonsense deleted...]
>
> What was shown on tape from a *few* ACORN locations (but where
> were the reportings of the ones that threw out these imposters?)

What makes you think ANY of the ACORN offices did or would do any
differently from the ones on tape? ACORN is rotten and corrupt to the core.
Do you know how many states they're facing criminals charges in for voter
registration fraud? What a perfect organization they are for Obama, the
Chicago machine politician. There's a match made in heaven for you (well,
probably not heaven but it's still a perfect match).

> was
> disgusting and stupid, but here we have once again the old absolutist
> and uncritical Right approach of the non-thinking "they all must be evil",
> and, "let's throw out the baby with the bathwater".
>
>> Here, read all about it from a functional news organization and learn
>> something for a change:
>>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/09/14/dan-gainor-acorn-media-ignore/
>
> So THIS is where you get your (false) information from, huh??? LOL,

Show something in it that you can demonstrate is false. Go ahead, I'll wait.
Take your time.