From: Ray Fischer on
mikey4 <lakediver(a)dd..net> wrote:
><stephe_k(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:h916ml$lne$3(a)news.albasani.net...
>> mikey4 wrote:

>>> People are pissed because "they" have finely woke up to the fact that the
>>> "government" is out of control and has been for a very long time.
>>
>> Well I was pissed watching GWB spending BILLIONS on a war while giving
>> MASSIVE tax breaks to the wealthy. I was pissed watching him do NOTHING
>> other than watching the economy fail. Were you? Some of us didn't just
>> "wake up" because a republican wasn't in the white house. If Obama had
>> been handed a healthy country and done this, I'd be pissed right there
>> with ya, but that isn't what happened.
>> Stephanie
>
>My point here Stephanie is that this entire mess is a result of *both*
>parties screwing the pooch for *years and years and years*.

It is a fundamental policy of republicans to cut taxes for the rich
and reduce or eliminate government regulation while allowing
corporations free reign. Those policies cause this current economic
climate.

Lack of regulation allowed the finanicial collapse. Cutting taxes for
the rich left the middle class further in debt. Free reign for
corporations allowed them to cut worker salaries in order to give
countless millions to execs.

And when the middle class doesn't have money to spend, and when the
financial industry collapses, and when the rich ship their money out
of the country, then you get an economy that's in the toilet.

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From: Ray Fischer on
mikey4 <lakediver(a)dd..net> wrote:
>
>"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message
>news:4ab3c1c3$0$1619$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net...
>> mikey4 <lakediver(a)dd..net> wrote:
>>>"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message
>>>> Bob Larter <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>Yep. In Australia, the government pumped a ton of cash into stimulus
>>>>>payments for just about everybody, & told us to go spend it. We did, &
>>>>>it kept us out of a recession by the skin of our teeth. In fact, we're
>>>>>the only G20 nation that has avoided recession. The only thing Obama has
>>>>>done wrong is not give /enough/ money to people who'd go straight out &
>>>>>spend it.
>>>>
>>>> What the rightards and politicians don't seem to grasp is that giving
>>>> tons of money to rich people doesn't do squat for the economy, and
>>>> most likely makes things even worse because they often ship their
>>>> money out of the country. Give stimulus money to the poor and middle
>>>> classes and the money will get spent and will get spent in the
>>>> country.
>>>>
>>>So what do the lefttards do? They throw it at big business, banks, etc
>>
>> Never trust a man who's certain that he has simple solutions to
>> complex problems.
>>
>> Never trust a man who gives online retorts with *no* substance.
>> mikey in <h8rvun$1hb$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>
>>
>ROFL........ Ray, there is nothing funnier than a schmuk on mommy's pc

You're really not that funny.

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From: Bill Graham on

"SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message
news:4ab36173$0$1624$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net...
> Bob Larter wrote:
>
>> Given that my son was born at 26 weeks, & is now a perfectly healthy 8
>> year old, abortions as late as that do bother me a lot. That said, I
>> still believe that the woman's right to choose trumps the rights of the
>> foetus.
>
> My daughter was 27 weeks, son was 32 weeks, and both are fine. The memory
> of the NICU ordeals will remain with me forever, as I'm sure it does with
> everyone that goes through it.
>
>>> While their opposition to RU486 is pretty ridiculous, at least you can
>>> see where they are coming from in opposing abortion after the fetus is
>>> more than a few weeks old.
>>
>> My personal dividing line is at the point where the foetus is viable
>> outside the womb. Currently, I think that's around 24 weeks.
>
> There are cases where there are extremely serious problems that are not
> known until the third trimester, cases where there is no reason to
> continue the pregnancy. This is where the right-wingers come up with their
> "only god can decide" schtick. Of course they don't apply the same
> criteria to other parts of others lives.

Please preface your, "right wingers" with "Religious right wingers". I
happen to be an atheist, and I do not generate my right winger philosophy
from any religious belief.

From: Ray Fischer on
Neil Harrington <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote:
>
>"David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:h90e2v$de5$1(a)ruby.cit.cornell.edu...
>>
>> "Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote in message
>> news:PLednSJvrajT6yzXnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>
>
>>
>>> Much the same with the latest ACORN scandal, which stunk so badly that
>>> even Democrats in Congress finally voted to stop funding ACORN. But you
>>> never even heard about it from ABC, CBS or NBC, did you?
>> [Nonsense deleted...]
>>
>> What was shown on tape from a *few* ACORN locations (but where
>> were the reportings of the ones that threw out these imposters?)
>
>What makes you think ANY of the ACORN offices did or would do any
>differently from the ones on tape? ACORN is rotten and corrupt to the core.

If that's true then it must also be true of the Republican party given
the number of Republicans who have been shown to be lying,
philandering hypocrites.

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From: Ray Fischer on
mikey4 <lakediver(a)dd..net> wrote:
>"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message
>> mikey4 <lakediver(a)dd..net> wrote:
>>>"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message
>>>> DRS <drs(a)removethis.ihug.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>"Bob Larter" <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> stephe_k(a)yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you looked around the world? We are NOT the only Gov pumping
>>>>>>> money into their economy trying to avoid a Depression.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep. In Australia, the government pumped a ton of cash into stimulus
>>>>>> payments for just about everybody, & told us to go spend it. We did, &
>>>>>> it kept us out of a recession by the skin of our teeth. In fact, we're
>>>>>> the only G20 nation that has avoided recession. The only thing Obama
>>>>>> has done wrong is not give /enough/ money to people who'd go straight
>>>>>> out & spend it.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have to disagree with that last statement. Obama's administration
>>>>>majorly
>>>>>fucked up the bailout of Wall St.
>>>>
>>>> Except that it was the Bush administration.
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/business/21qanda.html
>>>>
>>>*And both houses*.
>>
>> No, actually it was the Bush administration that gave out the money
>> that Congress authorized.
>>
>> You sure don't know much, do you? But then, somebody who would rather
>> see the US economy collapse cannot be too smart.
>
>I rest my case,

You really are an idiot.

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