From: mikey4 on

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message
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> mikey4 <lakediver(a)dd..net> wrote:
>>
>>"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message
>>news:4ab3c1c3$0$1619$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net...
>>> mikey4 <lakediver(a)dd..net> wrote:
>>>>"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message
>>>>> Bob Larter <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>Yep. In Australia, the government pumped a ton of cash into stimulus
>>>>>>payments for just about everybody, & told us to go spend it. We did, &
>>>>>>it kept us out of a recession by the skin of our teeth. In fact, we're
>>>>>>the only G20 nation that has avoided recession. The only thing Obama
>>>>>>has
>>>>>>done wrong is not give /enough/ money to people who'd go straight out
>>>>>>&
>>>>>>spend it.
>>>>>
>>>>> What the rightards and politicians don't seem to grasp is that giving
>>>>> tons of money to rich people doesn't do squat for the economy, and
>>>>> most likely makes things even worse because they often ship their
>>>>> money out of the country. Give stimulus money to the poor and middle
>>>>> classes and the money will get spent and will get spent in the
>>>>> country.
>>>>>
>>>>So what do the lefttards do? They throw it at big business, banks, etc
>>>
>>> Never trust a man who's certain that he has simple solutions to
>>> complex problems.
>>>
>>> Never trust a man who gives online retorts with *no* substance.
>>> mikey in <h8rvun$1hb$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>
>>>
>>ROFL........ Ray, there is nothing funnier than a schmuk on mommy's pc
>
> You're really not that funny.
>
Posting more lies I see


From: mikey4 on

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message
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> mikey4 <lakediver(a)dd..net> wrote:
>>"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message
>>> mikey4 <lakediver(a)dd..net> wrote:
>>>>"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message
>>>>> DRS <drs(a)removethis.ihug.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>"Bob Larter" <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> stephe_k(a)yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have you looked around the world? We are NOT the only Gov pumping
>>>>>>>> money into their economy trying to avoid a Depression.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep. In Australia, the government pumped a ton of cash into stimulus
>>>>>>> payments for just about everybody, & told us to go spend it. We did,
>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>> it kept us out of a recession by the skin of our teeth. In fact,
>>>>>>> we're
>>>>>>> the only G20 nation that has avoided recession. The only thing Obama
>>>>>>> has done wrong is not give /enough/ money to people who'd go
>>>>>>> straight
>>>>>>> out & spend it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have to disagree with that last statement. Obama's administration
>>>>>>majorly
>>>>>>fucked up the bailout of Wall St.
>>>>>
>>>>> Except that it was the Bush administration.
>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/business/21qanda.html
>>>>>
>>>>*And both houses*.
>>>
>>> No, actually it was the Bush administration that gave out the money
>>> that Congress authorized.
>>>
>>> You sure don't know much, do you? But then, somebody who would rather
>>> see the US economy collapse cannot be too smart.
>>
>>I rest my case,
>
> You really are an idiot.
>
ray you just admitted that it was congress who spent the money. If they, the
congress, didn't want it spent they wouldn't have appropriated it in the
first place.














From: tony cooper on
On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 23:25:48 -0700, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net>
wrote:

>
>"Bob Larter" <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:4ab33be9$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>
>>> "wrbrown13" <wrbrown3(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>> news:xz99h2s243hc$.9skloajqavx8.dlg(a)40tude.net...
>>>> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:36:20 -0700, Bill Graham wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Bob G" <mrbobjames(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:adbcdb79-6c7f-4021-8fc0-3adf608d7083(a)w10g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> Republicans would rather get jerked around by the corporations than by
>>>>>> the government. Wait until you get a horrible diseaase and your health
>>>>>> insurance company drops you like a hot potato.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The fact is that this nation is now an oligarchy (and has been for
>>>>>> some time) and not a democracy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How does that go, from the corporations, by the corporations, and for
>>>>>> the corporations?
>>>>>
>>>>> That is what litigation is supposed to correct.....You still have the
>>>>> right
>>>>> to sue. But I never said that government couldn't regulate. Your health
>>>>> insurance policy should list the stuff it doesn't cover, in large ten
>>>>> point
>>>>> type.......I would vote for a law like that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now there's a thought. Sue a large corporation who has any number of
>>>> lawyers on their staff and can drag litigation out intil you don't have
>>>> a
>>>> penny to your name. Great in theory, but a joke in reality.
>>>
>>> They usually settle out of court. Why? Because juries are very
>>> sympathetic to the little guy, and have been known to award many millions
>>> of the big companies money to him.
>>
>> After years of litigation, during which the plaintiff may have died of
>> their illness.
>
>Better yet....Then his poor widow collects even more money....

More "I have no idea what I'm talking about" stuff from Bill.
Personal injury litigation stops if the plaintiff dies. Anything not
settled before the death is ended. Only if the surviving spouse is
also a plaintiff does the case continue.


--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: Neil Harrington on

"Walter Banks" <walter(a)bytecraft.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> C J Campbell wrote:
>
>> On 2009-09-18 00:46:40 -0700, Bob Larter <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> said:
>>
>> > C J Campbell wrote:
>> >> And no -- bureaucratizing health care is unlikely to get rid of waste
>> >> and corruption. Far to the contrary. A national health care plan would
>> >> vastly increase waste and corruption.
>> >
>> > Really? In every other country with 'socialised' health care, they
>> > spend much less than the USA does.
>>
>> They also ration their health care. If we included all the patients
>> from countries with socialized health care who come to the US for care
>> as part of the cost of their care, and subtracted it from what we
>> spend, I think the numbers would be dramatically reversed.
>
> The rationing argument doesn't standup to the facts.
>
> All the Canadian patients who come to the US for necessary
> health care have the costs paid for by the Canadian health
> care system. That includes elective procedures.

No, I don't think so.

>
> The spending in Canada is about half per person of the
> US health costs.

Because it's rationed. Rationing can do wonders for bringing down costs, and
in fact may be absolutely necessary to make a thing affordable -- especially
when it's "free," which naturally drives up demand. It still has to be paid
for by somebody.

Even so, the Canadian health-care system has been described as "imploding"
by professionals there.


From: Rol_Lei Nut on
Bill Graham wrote:
> If I were a professional house breaker, I would go to some country
> where no one is allowed to own a gun. That's just good common sense.

Unfortunately for you, those are the countries where neighbours are
friendly and look out for each other....