From: No One on

"Rol_Lei Nut" <Speleo_Karstlenscap(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Bill Graham wrote:
>>
>> "SPAM.WATCH" <fart(a)thefreakspeechsore.com> wrote in message
>> news:h8b588$irb$1(a)tioat.net...
>>> USA is both the third largest nation, and yet is still a third rate
>>> nation.
>>>
>>>
>> Easy to say by someone who has never been both here and overseas. I have
>> been to most continents, and I can tell you that I am now living (Salem,
>> Oregon) in one of the best places in the world. The weather is beautiful,
>> trees everywhere, and our supers are overflowing with fresh fruits and
>> veggies, and wonderfully fresh meats, too. My health care is top drawer
>> all the way, too. I am one hour's drive from the Pacific ocean, and
>> about an hour in the other direction to mountains and great skiing. I am
>> an amateur musician and there are so many good bands in this area that I
>> have trouble deciding which ones to participate in. I could play anything
>> from classical to Dixieland every night of the week. I have been to
>> Europe, Australia, and Japan and China, and there has been no place where
>> the living is as nice as I have it right now. My only real fear is that
>> the liberal socialists will trash it for my grandchildren. But I have
>> lived top drawer all the way.
>
> Your description of "paradise" could be of thousands of places around the
> world. In the places you've been to, you obviously haven't had the time,
> desire, open-mindedness or perspicacity to see their good sides.
>
He (Rol_Lei Nut) assumes that SPAM.WATCH has never travelled to the USA or
overseas. Well that is an arrogant position. To assume his Republic is
better than any other democracy in the World is pretty sad. the USA has
pretty much the highest rate of violent crime.

As for heath care, the USA requires you to be wealthy if you get sick. Many
lose everything they own if the breadwinner has a heart attack, a stroke or
contracts cancer.

In many ways the USA is a beautiful country, it has wonderful warm people
throughout. I have seen boarded up shops as well.


From: wrbrown13 on
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:36:20 -0700, Bill Graham wrote:

> "Bob G" <mrbobjames(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:adbcdb79-6c7f-4021-8fc0-3adf608d7083(a)w10g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>> Republicans would rather get jerked around by the corporations than by
>> the government. Wait until you get a horrible diseaase and your health
>> insurance company drops you like a hot potato.
>>
>> The fact is that this nation is now an oligarchy (and has been for
>> some time) and not a democracy.
>>
>> How does that go, from the corporations, by the corporations, and for
>> the corporations?
>
> That is what litigation is supposed to correct.....You still have the right
> to sue. But I never said that government couldn't regulate. Your health
> insurance policy should list the stuff it doesn't cover, in large ten point
> type.......I would vote for a law like that.


Now there's a thought. Sue a large corporation who has any number of
lawyers on their staff and can drag litigation out intil you don't have a
penny to your name. Great in theory, but a joke in reality.
From: Rol_Lei Nut on
No One wrote:
> "Rol_Lei Nut" <Speleo_Karstlenscap(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7guhkgF2ri88vU1(a)mid.individual.net...
>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>> "SPAM.WATCH" <fart(a)thefreakspeechsore.com> wrote in message
>>> news:h8b588$irb$1(a)tioat.net...
>>>> USA is both the third largest nation, and yet is still a third rate
>>>> nation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Easy to say by someone who has never been both here and overseas. I have
>>> been to most continents, and I can tell you that I am now living (Salem,
>>> Oregon) in one of the best places in the world. The weather is beautiful,
>>> trees everywhere, and our supers are overflowing with fresh fruits and
>>> veggies, and wonderfully fresh meats, too. My health care is top drawer
>>> all the way, too. I am one hour's drive from the Pacific ocean, and
>>> about an hour in the other direction to mountains and great skiing. I am
>>> an amateur musician and there are so many good bands in this area that I
>>> have trouble deciding which ones to participate in. I could play anything
>>> from classical to Dixieland every night of the week. I have been to
>>> Europe, Australia, and Japan and China, and there has been no place where
>>> the living is as nice as I have it right now. My only real fear is that
>>> the liberal socialists will trash it for my grandchildren. But I have
>>> lived top drawer all the way.
>> Your description of "paradise" could be of thousands of places around the
>> world. In the places you've been to, you obviously haven't had the time,
>> desire, open-mindedness or perspicacity to see their good sides.
>>
> He (Rol_Lei Nut) assumes that SPAM.WATCH has never travelled to the USA or
> overseas. Well that is an arrogant position. To assume his Republic is
> better than any other democracy in the World is pretty sad. the USA has
> pretty much the highest rate of violent crime.
>
> As for heath care, the USA requires you to be wealthy if you get sick. Many
> lose everything they own if the breadwinner has a heart attack, a stroke or
> contracts cancer.
>
> In many ways the USA is a beautiful country, it has wonderful warm people
> throughout. I have seen boarded up shops as well.

A bit of reading comprehension please:

1) I was answering BG.
2) I didn't question whether BG had "travelled to the USA" or overseas
(though I might question the worth of such travels).
3) I don't assume the republic where I live (not the U.S.A.) "is better
than any other democracy in the World", though that seems to be BG's
recurring point, despite the presence of those "darned Liberals"!
4) Yes, I agree that the U.S. has pretty much the highest rate of
violent crime in the world (for a devolped country not involved in a
civil war or something).
5) The rest of the points I can agree with...
From: Bowser on


"Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
>>
> Obama is dedicated to stealing from the rich. (read: anyone with any
> money) and giving it to the poor. (read: anyone who has no money) This is
> called, "Robinhoodism". It is a story as old as time, and I have been
> fighting it all of my life. Even when I was a little kid, and saw Errol
> Flynn in the role, I knew that Robin Hood was, in the final analysis,
> nothing but a thief. Just because he gave the proceeds to charity, that
> didn't mean he had the right to steal.

Bush gave the rich huge tax cuts, and as a result, in large part, we're (the
US) is bankrupt and trillions in debt. Governments, democrat or republican,
can't or won't stop spending money, so they'll take it from whoever has it.
No mystery here.

My idea is simple: abandon the income tax and use a value added tax. The
more you spend, the more you pay. that way the rich get soaked and can't
complain.

From: C J Campbell on
On 2009-09-11 01:55:43 -0700, Rol_Lei Nut <Speleo_Karstlenscap(a)yahoo.com> said:

> Bill Graham wrote:
>>
>> "SPAM.WATCH" <fart(a)thefreakspeechsore.com> wrote in message
>> news:h8b588$irb$1(a)tioat.net...
>>> USA is both the third largest nation, and yet is still a third rate nation.
>>>
>>>
>> Easy to say by someone who has never been both here and overseas. I
>> have been to most continents, and I can tell you that I am now living
>> (Salem, Oregon) in one of the best places in the world. The weather is
>> beautiful, trees everywhere, and our supers are overflowing with fresh
>> fruits and veggies, and wonderfully fresh meats, too. My health care is
>> top drawer all the way, too. I am one hour's drive from the Pacific
>> ocean, and about an hour in the other direction to mountains and great
>> skiing. I am an amateur musician and there are so many good bands in
>> this area that I have trouble deciding which ones to participate in. I
>> could play anything from classical to Dixieland every night of the
>> week. I have been to Europe, Australia, and Japan and China, and there
>> has been no place where the living is as nice as I have it right now.
>> My only real fear is that the liberal socialists will trash it for my
>> grandchildren. But I have lived top drawer all the way.
>
> Your description of "paradise" could be of thousands of places around
> the world. In the places you've been to, you obviously haven't had the
> time, desire, open-mindedness or perspicacity to see their good sides.

Personally, I have spent a lifetime traveling, whether in the military,
on vacation, or working. I have a few favorite spots (Salem is one of
them). I live on the Olympic Peninsula of Washington State. I am hard
pressed to think of anyplace in the world I didn't like. It is just so
beautiful.

Okay, we do have pretty good health care, food, and many fantastic
cultural opportunities right at home. We don't have signs in front of
our hospitals that say "Summertime is circumcision time" like one I
photographed in the Philippines (circumcision was being promoted as an
HIV prevention remedy, unfortunately). And I will never forget the
pharmacy that called itself the "Holy House of Drugs."

Sure, there are ugly things in beautiful spots -- slums that would curl
your hair, places where naked, starving children huddle on the bare
concrete surrounded by discarded hypodermic needles, broken glass among
unconscious, disease and drug-ridden adults. I do not photograph those
places, not because I do not acknowledge they exist, but because there
are others who do so much better at alerting the world to these
problems. The fact is, I see misery, but I do not have the ability to
photograph it. My subjects always end up looking happy.

I haven't been to Albania yet. I once read that it was pretty ugly,
covered with ruined old socialist-era pillboxes. But somehow I doubt
that the ugly pillboxes really manage to spoil it that bad. Other
photographers might be able to take those and make the pillboxes look
the teeth of a ferocious monster jutting up from the landscape. I could
never pull it off -- they would end up looking like fine art
sculptures. My search for an ugly place continues, though. There must
be one somewhere.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor