From: Neil Harrington on

"Larry Thong" <larry_thong(a)shitstring.com> wrote in message
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> It seems the meaning and value of the word "apology" has been watered down
> to now mean "I'm sorry I got caught for doing whatever I did but was very
> happy doing it up and till the point I got caught." It's sad that this
> practice is commonplace with business's, politicians, investment brokers,
> religious figures, criminals alike.
>
> Good ole boy Joe Wilson, a Republican, called out "you lie" during Obama's
> speech and shortly apologizes after getting called out over it.

He apologized for calling it out, which was a rude thing to do, but what he
called out was the truth. Obama was lying. Since Obama lies half the time
and breaks his promises the other half, I suppose it can be argued that
Wilson's calling it out was unnecessary.

> It's sad to see these juvenile actions taken by Wilson and the Republicans
> when everyone knows Obama is very passionate and takes seriously the
> problem of health care reform. He is the only President in history that
> is actually doing something about removing the waste and corruption in the
> health care system. Give Obama a round of applause!!!

This is a joke, right?

You HAVEN'T SEEN "waste and corruption in the health care system" until
ObamaCare becomes the law, if that ever actually happens.

Obama wants what he's been saying he's wanted for years, a 100% wholly
government-run health care system. That and his payback to the union bosses
who spent millions getting him elected, is what ObamaCare is all about.

This would bring us the same famous government efficiency and cost savings
that we already have in Medicare (steadily rising costs and it's still
broke), Medicaid (steadily rising costs and it's still broke) and the U.S.
Postal Service (steadily rising costs and it's still broke). And that's not
even getting into all the immense fraud and waste for which Medicare and
Medicaid have also become famous.



From: Bill Graham on

"Rol_Lei Nut" <Speleo_Karstlenscap(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Rol_Lei Nut wrote:
>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>
>>> "SPAM.WATCH" <fart(a)thefreakspeechsore.com> wrote in message
>>> news:h8b588$irb$1(a)tioat.net...
>>>> USA is both the third largest nation, and yet is still a third rate
>>>> nation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Easy to say by someone who has never been both here and overseas. I have
>>> been to most continents, and I can tell you that I am now living (Salem,
>>> Oregon) in one of the best places in the world. The weather is
>>> beautiful, trees everywhere, and our supers are overflowing with fresh
>>> fruits and veggies, and wonderfully fresh meats, too. My health care is
>>> top drawer all the way, too. I am one hour's drive from the Pacific
>>> ocean, and about an hour in the other direction to mountains and great
>>> skiing. I am an amateur musician and there are so many good bands in
>>> this area that I have trouble deciding which ones to participate in. I
>>> could play anything from classical to Dixieland every night of the week.
>>> I have been to Europe, Australia, and Japan and China, and there has
>>> been no place where the living is as nice as I have it right now. My
>>> only real fear is that the liberal socialists will trash it for my
>>> grandchildren. But I have lived top drawer all the way.
>>
>> Your description of "paradise" could be of thousands of places around the
>> world. In the places you've been to, you obviously haven't had the time,
>> desire, open-mindedness or perspicacity to see their good sides.
>
> And by the way, where I live I don't feel the need to own a gun to defend
> myself (very little violent crime), I pay a pittance for what is probably
> better health care than BG has and, and, and... (the list could become
> *very* long!)

"Very little violent crime" you say.....All it takes is one instance to
leave you very dead. There is very little crime of any sort here in West
Salem, but I still sleep with a loaded pistol under my mattress, because I
am not stupid. If nothing else, I might have to use it against some radical
religious nut that decides to kill me just to get a few more virgins in his
crazy heaven. There's no accounting for the religious nuts of this world,
and it pays to be wary of them. I have been dealing with them all of my
life, so I know what I am talking about. You can do a lot of talking, Lei
Nut, but nothing you say can replace my 74 years of experience,

From: Rol_Lei Nut on
Bill Graham wrote:
>
> "Rol_Lei Nut" <Speleo_Karstlenscap(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7gui5fF2ra1ptU1(a)mid.individual.net...
>> Rol_Lei Nut wrote:
>>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "SPAM.WATCH" <fart(a)thefreakspeechsore.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:h8b588$irb$1(a)tioat.net...
>>>>> USA is both the third largest nation, and yet is still a third rate
>>>>> nation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Easy to say by someone who has never been both here and overseas. I
>>>> have been to most continents, and I can tell you that I am now
>>>> living (Salem, Oregon) in one of the best places in the world. The
>>>> weather is beautiful, trees everywhere, and our supers are
>>>> overflowing with fresh fruits and veggies, and wonderfully fresh
>>>> meats, too. My health care is top drawer all the way, too. I am one
>>>> hour's drive from the Pacific ocean, and about an hour in the other
>>>> direction to mountains and great skiing. I am an amateur musician
>>>> and there are so many good bands in this area that I have trouble
>>>> deciding which ones to participate in. I could play anything from
>>>> classical to Dixieland every night of the week. I have been to
>>>> Europe, Australia, and Japan and China, and there has been no place
>>>> where the living is as nice as I have it right now. My only real
>>>> fear is that the liberal socialists will trash it for my
>>>> grandchildren. But I have lived top drawer all the way.
>>>
>>> Your description of "paradise" could be of thousands of places around
>>> the world. In the places you've been to, you obviously haven't had
>>> the time, desire, open-mindedness or perspicacity to see their good
>>> sides.
>>
>> And by the way, where I live I don't feel the need to own a gun to
>> defend myself (very little violent crime), I pay a pittance for what
>> is probably better health care than BG has and, and, and... (the list
>> could become *very* long!)
>
> "Very little violent crime" you say.....All it takes is one instance to
> leave you very dead. There is very little crime of any sort here in West
> Salem, but I still sleep with a loaded pistol under my mattress, because
> I am not stupid. If nothing else, I might have to use it against some
> radical religious nut that decides to kill me just to get a few more
> virgins in his crazy heaven. There's no accounting for the religious
> nuts of this world, and it pays to be wary of them. I have been dealing
> with them all of my life, so I know what I am talking about. You can do
> a lot of talking, Lei Nut, but nothing you say can replace my 74 years
> of experience,

All I can say, though having a few decades less "experience" than you,
is that I would really *not* trade places with you.

Keep living in bitterness, resentment and fear...

I'm off tomorrow to try out a new tent, have a great time with a
fantastic GF and maybe even take some nice pictures... ;-)
From: DRS on
"Neil Harrington" <not(a)home.today> wrote in message
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> "Larry Thong" <larry_thong(a)shitstring.com> wrote in message
> news:EKWdnfDeK_e0TTXXnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d(a)supernews.com...
>> It seems the meaning and value of the word "apology" has been
>> watered down to now mean "I'm sorry I got caught for doing whatever
>> I did but was very happy doing it up and till the point I got
>> caught." It's sad that this practice is commonplace with
>> business's, politicians, investment brokers, religious figures,
>> criminals alike. Good ole boy Joe Wilson, a Republican, called out "you
>> lie" during
>> Obama's speech and shortly apologizes after getting called out over
>> it.
>
> He apologized for calling it out, which was a rude thing to do, but
> what he called out was the truth. Obama was lying. Since Obama lies
> half the time and breaks his promises the other half, I suppose it
> can be argued that Wilson's calling it out was unnecessary.

Obama was not lying. He said, "There are also those who claim that our
reform effort will insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false -- the
reforms I�m proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally."
That is true and Wilson was wrong.

See
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/09/joe-wilson/joe-wilson-south-carolina-said-obama-lied-he-didnt/
and http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/seven-falsehoods-about-health-care/.



From: Bill Graham on

"No One" <none(a)none.invalid> wrote in message news:h8djg6$1gi$1(a)aioe.org...
>
> "Rol_Lei Nut" <Speleo_Karstlenscap(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7guhkgF2ri88vU1(a)mid.individual.net...
>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>
>>> "SPAM.WATCH" <fart(a)thefreakspeechsore.com> wrote in message
>>> news:h8b588$irb$1(a)tioat.net...
>>>> USA is both the third largest nation, and yet is still a third rate
>>>> nation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Easy to say by someone who has never been both here and overseas. I have
>>> been to most continents, and I can tell you that I am now living (Salem,
>>> Oregon) in one of the best places in the world. The weather is
>>> beautiful, trees everywhere, and our supers are overflowing with fresh
>>> fruits and veggies, and wonderfully fresh meats, too. My health care is
>>> top drawer all the way, too. I am one hour's drive from the Pacific
>>> ocean, and about an hour in the other direction to mountains and great
>>> skiing. I am an amateur musician and there are so many good bands in
>>> this area that I have trouble deciding which ones to participate in. I
>>> could play anything from classical to Dixieland every night of the week.
>>> I have been to Europe, Australia, and Japan and China, and there has
>>> been no place where the living is as nice as I have it right now. My
>>> only real fear is that the liberal socialists will trash it for my
>>> grandchildren. But I have lived top drawer all the way.
>>
>> Your description of "paradise" could be of thousands of places around the
>> world. In the places you've been to, you obviously haven't had the time,
>> desire, open-mindedness or perspicacity to see their good sides.
>>
> He (Rol_Lei Nut) assumes that SPAM.WATCH has never travelled to the USA or
> overseas. Well that is an arrogant position. To assume his Republic is
> better than any other democracy in the World is pretty sad. the USA has
> pretty much the highest rate of violent crime.
>
> As for heath care, the USA requires you to be wealthy if you get sick.
> Many lose everything they own if the breadwinner has a heart attack, a
> stroke or contracts cancer.

Yes. Health care, like everything else, costs money and has a cost/benefit
curve that goes along with it.....How many heart transplants do they give to
80 year olds in one of the socialized medicine countries, like Norway or
Sweden?