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From: Bill Graham on 11 Sep 2009 16:54
"wrbrown13" <wrbrown3(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:36:20 -0700, Bill Graham wrote:
>> "Bob G" <mrbobjames(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> Republicans would rather get jerked around by the corporations than by
>>> the government. Wait until you get a horrible diseaase and your health
>>> insurance company drops you like a hot potato.
>>> The fact is that this nation is now an oligarchy (and has been for
>>> some time) and not a democracy.
>>> How does that go, from the corporations, by the corporations, and for
>>> the corporations?
>> That is what litigation is supposed to correct.....You still have the
>> to sue. But I never said that government couldn't regulate. Your health
>> insurance policy should list the stuff it doesn't cover, in large ten
>> type.......I would vote for a law like that.
> Now there's a thought. Sue a large corporation who has any number of
> lawyers on their staff and can drag litigation out intil you don't have a
> penny to your name. Great in theory, but a joke in reality.
They usually settle out of court. Why? Because juries are very sympathetic
to the little guy, and have been known to award many millions of the big
companies money to him.
From: Bill Graham on 11 Sep 2009 17:12
"Bowser" <its(a)bowzah.ukme> wrote in message
> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
>> Obama is dedicated to stealing from the rich. (read: anyone with any
>> money) and giving it to the poor. (read: anyone who has no money) This is
>> called, "Robinhoodism". It is a story as old as time, and I have been
>> fighting it all of my life. Even when I was a little kid, and saw Errol
>> Flynn in the role, I knew that Robin Hood was, in the final analysis,
>> nothing but a thief. Just because he gave the proceeds to charity, that
>> didn't mean he had the right to steal.
> Bush gave the rich huge tax cuts, and as a result, in large part, we're
> (the US) is bankrupt and trillions in debt. Governments, democrat or
> republican, can't or won't stop spending money, so they'll take it from
> whoever has it. No mystery here.
> My idea is simple: abandon the income tax and use a value added tax. The
> more you spend, the more you pay. that way the rich get soaked and can't
Talk about a gift to the rich! You don't think that richies like Bill Gates
wouldn't like that? He would get filthy rich overnight. You can only wear
one outfit at a time, and drive one auto at a time. The real rich don't
spend near enough of their incomes for the government to make any money from
your plan. It's ordinary people like me that would suffer and end up paying
all the bills. Even I would make out like a bandit. At 74, my appetite for
fast cars and fancy junk is no longer there.....I end up saving most of my
money for grandkids and the like. I drink a lot more prune juice than
Caviar, I can tell you that.....
From: Bill Graham on 11 Sep 2009 17:21
"C J Campbell" <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> On 2009-09-11 01:55:43 -0700, Rol_Lei Nut <Speleo_Karstlenscap(a)yahoo.com>
>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>> "SPAM.WATCH" <fart(a)thefreakspeechsore.com> wrote in message
>>>> USA is both the third largest nation, and yet is still a third rate
>>> Easy to say by someone who has never been both here and overseas. I have
>>> been to most continents, and I can tell you that I am now living (Salem,
>>> Oregon) in one of the best places in the world. The weather is
>>> beautiful, trees everywhere, and our supers are overflowing with fresh
>>> fruits and veggies, and wonderfully fresh meats, too. My health care is
>>> top drawer all the way, too. I am one hour's drive from the Pacific
>>> ocean, and about an hour in the other direction to mountains and great
>>> skiing. I am an amateur musician and there are so many good bands in
>>> this area that I have trouble deciding which ones to participate in. I
>>> could play anything from classical to Dixieland every night of the week.
>>> I have been to Europe, Australia, and Japan and China, and there has
>>> been no place where the living is as nice as I have it right now. My
>>> only real fear is that the liberal socialists will trash it for my
>>> grandchildren. But I have lived top drawer all the way.
>> Your description of "paradise" could be of thousands of places around the
>> world. In the places you've been to, you obviously haven't had the time,
>> desire, open-mindedness or perspicacity to see their good sides.
> Personally, I have spent a lifetime traveling, whether in the military, on
> vacation, or working. I have a few favorite spots (Salem is one of them).
> I live on the Olympic Peninsula of Washington State. I am hard pressed to
> think of anyplace in the world I didn't like. It is just so beautiful.
> Okay, we do have pretty good health care, food, and many fantastic
> cultural opportunities right at home. We don't have signs in front of our
> hospitals that say "Summertime is circumcision time" like one I
> photographed in the Philippines (circumcision was being promoted as an HIV
> prevention remedy, unfortunately). And I will never forget the pharmacy
> that called itself the "Holy House of Drugs."
> Sure, there are ugly things in beautiful spots -- slums that would curl
> your hair, places where naked, starving children huddle on the bare
> concrete surrounded by discarded hypodermic needles, broken glass among
> unconscious, disease and drug-ridden adults. I do not photograph those
> places, not because I do not acknowledge they exist, but because there are
> others who do so much better at alerting the world to these problems. The
> fact is, I see misery, but I do not have the ability to photograph it. My
> subjects always end up looking happy.
> I haven't been to Albania yet. I once read that it was pretty ugly,
> covered with ruined old socialist-era pillboxes. But somehow I doubt that
> the ugly pillboxes really manage to spoil it that bad. Other photographers
> might be able to take those and make the pillboxes look the teeth of a
> ferocious monster jutting up from the landscape. I could never pull it
> off -- they would end up looking like fine art sculptures. My search for
> an ugly place continues, though. There must be one somewhere.
Yes. If you are a photographer, most places aren't, "ugly" in the
traditional sense. But there are sure a lot of places that I am glad I
didn't have to live. Not always for reasons of, "beauty".. Most were because
of other things....Like the food markets in Europe didn't hold a candle to
the ones we have here. There were very few fresh fruits and veggies, and
fresh meats in Germany, for example....Lots of good sausages, but not enough
fresh steak, pork, and lamb. I met several people who had never heard of an
artichoke, for example....
From: Bill Graham on 11 Sep 2009 17:34
"Douglas Johnson" <post(a)classtech.com> wrote in message
> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>>.....Can I blame the liberals for it? After all, it is a socialist idea.
>>anyone get food simply by putting their feet on a supermarkets property?
>>so, then would you go for the idea today that food should be socialized?
>>about getting a room for the night by simply setting foot on a hotel's
> So you have a heart attack. The paramedics show up. Should they require
> of citizenship or ability to pay before starting CPR? Or before they
> you to the hospital? Should the hospital require it before they treat
In my world, yes, yes, yes. Everyone (all 300 million of us citizens) should
have a government ID card, and/or a chip implanted in us that identifies us
as US citizens in good standing, and if we are sick, then the chip should
get us the treatment we need. Today's technology is more than adequate to
From: D. Peter Maus on 11 Sep 2009 17:39
On 9/11/09 16:34 , Bill Graham wrote:
> Everyone (all 300 million of us citizens)
> should have a government ID card, and/or a chip implanted in us that
> identifies us as US citizens in good standing, and if we are sick, then
> the chip should get us the treatment we need. Today's technology is more
> than adequate to accomplish this.
Be careful what you wish for.