From: Bill Graham on

<"mcdonaldREMOVE TO ACTUALLY REACH ME"@scs.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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>
>>
>> The problem is you don't even understand what the dictionary definition
>> means. You see terms like "command economy" and you think it means the
>> merest hint of a whisper of government intervention in anything. It
>> doesn't. It never has outside the paranoid minds of wilfully ignorant
>> wingnuts.
>
> The merest hint of socialism is socialism. It reminds one
> of the famous dictum "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty".
> That is, if you let them steal a little of your liberty,
> they will just want more. That's the whole idea of
> creeping socialism, and why the "merest hint" must be avoided
> when it is socialism.
>
> I do allow that it is province of the Federal government to
> control interstate commerce: they can and should allow
> and/or require insurance companies to sell across state
> boundaries, and should regulate such transactions. That's
> part of what a real health care reform plan should include.
> Drug price regulation is in order too.
>
> Remember, you left wingers, that I am in favor of health
> care reform ... very much so. I'm just opposed to
> a government run plan that is guaranteed to lead to the
> same sort of disaster as a government mandated but flawed
> mortgage market.
>
> Doug McDonald

They remind me of the totalitarian leaders in Orwell's, "1984". they think
that by changing the name, they can get us to turn our backs on the problem.

From: Bill Graham on

"Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote in message
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> "Rol_Lei Nut" <Speleo_Karstlenscap(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Neil Harrington wrote:
>
>>>
>>> If you really want to make sure those who won't work or support
>>> themselves are nevertheless well supported, well fed, housed and taken
>>> care of in every way, why not share YOUR money with them? Remember the
>>> old saying, "charity begins at home." Be charitable. It isn't a proper
>>> function of the government.
>>
>> Well, I do. I pay my taxes. And in genral I'm glad they are also used to
>> help needy people.
>
> The Hartford Courant several years ago reported on a study of illegal drug
> sales done in that city. They found those drug sales soared dramatically
> on the same two days every month -- the days the welfare checks were
> delivered.
>
> That's where much of your taxes "to help needy people" are going.
>
>
I knew where they were going long before that. I lived and worked in
California for 40 years. Before I was able to buy a house, I lived in many
apartment buildings and my wife knew many single mothers who were collecting
welfare, when they had all their fingers and toes, and could easily hold
down jobs. there were "help wanted" signs all over town. They were better
off living on the dole because the welfare rules made it that way. No wonder
that state is over 20 billion dollars in debt. Not only did these women sap
taxpayers money, but they were prevented from working and paying taxes
themselves.....God, I hate the liberals........

From: Bill Graham on

"Allen" <allent(a)austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Rol_Lei Nut wrote:
>> Bob G wrote:
>>>> What he said was a lie, the health care will be provided to all tax
>>>> payers and illegals are covered under the tax law so will receive free
>>>> health care. Unless it was added all of the bills that have passed did
>>>> not exclude illegals.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know. Have we so lost our humanity that we think illegals are
>>> animals? It's pathetic to hear a President promise to deny health care
>>> to some people in order to appease Republicans.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> At this point I wouldn't be at all surprised if Republicans start
>> demanding sterilization and euthanasia for the mentally handicapped....
> Then his party would be left with no one.
> Allen

There is a cost to everything, and health care is no exception......With
today's level of medical advancements, if we were to try to keep everyone
alive beyond the age of 100 years, the cost would probably be astronomical.
There are arguments for more preventative medicine, but realistically, in
order to maximize this, you would have to literally grow people in padded
cells, and any concept of the word "freedom" would have to be thrown out.
IOW, at some point, extending life to the point of misery would not appeal
to any reasonable person. So, there is a cost benefit for preventative
medicine also. In my case, I would like each person to be able to choose
his/her own level of healthy living based on what they want out of life, and
not have some government agency choose this for them. But, whatever turns
you on. If you believe ants in their colony are happy, then you are welcome
to your own padded cells......Just try to leave the door open a crack for me
to escape, will you?

From: Bill Graham on

"John A." <john(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:46:46 -0500, "mcdonaldREMOVE TO ACTUALLY REACH
> ME"@scs.uiuc.edu wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>> The problem is you don't even understand what the dictionary definition
>>> means. You see terms like "command economy" and you think it means the
>>> merest hint of a whisper of government intervention in anything. It
>>> doesn't.
>>> It never has outside the paranoid minds of wilfully ignorant wingnuts.
>>
>>The merest hint of socialism is socialism. It reminds one
>>of the famous dictum "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty".
>>That is, if you let them steal a little of your liberty,
>>they will just want more. That's the whole idea of
>>creeping socialism, and why the "merest hint" must be avoided
>>when it is socialism.
>
> You mean like state and municipal police and fire departments instead
> of private guards and the old system of paid-prescription
> firefighters?
>
There's a lot to be said for this. Private enterprise is capable of lots
more than it is customarily used for. Even private armies have been
proposed. And, the Military does use private corporations for much of it's
routine work right now....for a while I worked for an electronics company
that got lots of work aligning and repairing military electronic equipment,
including shipboard radar, which was my specialty.

From: Ray Fischer on
Bill Graham <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>Speaking of nonsense.....When will the Social Security department start
>actually investing our retirement money (that they collect) in American
>business,

LOL! Yeah, that would have been a good idea.

Have you been following the markets?

> instead of just adding it to the general fund and spending it?

That's rightard propaganda. SS funds are invested in US treasuries.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer(a)sonic.net