From: Rol_Lei Nut on
George Kerby wrote:
>
>
> On 9/14/09 7:48 AM, in article 7h6sdrF1ues95U1(a)mid.individual.net, "Rol_Lei
> Nut" <Speleo_Karstlenscap(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>> Rol_Lei Nut wrote:
>>>> Chris H wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry you don't appreciate our logic....How about, "When guns are
>>>>>> outlawed, only outlaws will have guns" It's perfect logic, no
>>>>>> matter how many times we say it, or how sick you are of hearing it..
>>>>> It's not the guns but the people.
>>>>>
>>>>> In Switzerland every man over 18 has his military assault rifle at
>>>>> home. (Because every able bodied man is in their equivalent of the
>>>>> National Guard) However gun crime is Switzerland is practically
>>>>> zero and has been for years.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is all to do with the people and culture.
>>>>>
>>>>> Swiss are safe with guns
>>>>> Americans are not.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Because in Switzerland, most kids stop playing cowboy by the age of 11
>>>> or so....
>>> I thought that kids in Switzerland played William Tell.
>>>
>>> So what's _really_ different between the Swiss and the US?
>>>
>> Seriously, I wasn't (only) being ironic:
>> The Great American Myths are those of the Frontier, the Wild West, Wide
>> Open Spaces, Opportunity and the Self Made Man (often seen as a coyboy,
>> a fighter & a great hunter; definitely as a tough, macho self-sufficient
>> dude who is willing & able to handle a saloon fight).
>>
>
> Fukin' A!!!!!
>
> "God, Guns n' Guts made America GREAT!"
> ��John Wayne
>

Q.E.D.
;-)
From: Ray Fischer on
Bill Graham <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>"John A." <john(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote in message

>> I'm not a religious man by any stretch, but I think "there but for the
>> grace of God go I" is an apt metaphor. Some claim it to be literally
>> true, though they seem to forget sometimes these days.
>
>But that's what insurance is for, and it can (and should be) a private
>enterprise.

Graham wants to eliminate Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, prevent
government assastance of any kind, and return to the days when people
who got sick died in the streets.

Meanwhile he enjoys the very government benefits that he wishes to
deny others.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer(a)sonic.net

From: DRS on
<"mcdonaldREMOVE TO ACTUALLY REACH ME"@scs.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:h8gc8n$lbv$1(a)news.acm.uiuc.edu
>> The problem is you don't even understand what the dictionary
>> definition means. You see terms like "command economy" and you
>> think it means the merest hint of a whisper of government
>> intervention in anything. It doesn't. It never has outside the
>> paranoid minds of wilfully ignorant wingnuts.
>
> The merest hint of socialism is socialism.

Democratically elected governments intervening where the markets have
conspicuously failed to provide for the common welfare is not socialism.
You're making up your own definition and pretending it bears some
relationship to reality but it doesn't. There is a middle-ground betwen
lassaiz-faire and socialism.



From: Allen on
Ray Fischer wrote:
> Bill Graham <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>> "John A." <john(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
>
>>> I'm not a religious man by any stretch, but I think "there but for the
>>> grace of God go I" is an apt metaphor. Some claim it to be literally
>>> true, though they seem to forget sometimes these days.
>> But that's what insurance is for, and it can (and should be) a private
>> enterprise.
>
> Graham wants to eliminate Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, prevent
> government assastance of any kind, and return to the days when people
> who got sick died in the streets.
>
> Meanwhile he enjoys the very government benefits that he wishes to
> deny others.
Streets? Those socialistic, built-with-public-money thoroughfares that
the right-right-wingnuts shouldn't tolerate? And they are patrolled by
socialistic police who prevent the homeless and other trash from going
to sleep on them? And if there's a fire somewhere, the socialist fire
trucks go down them to save someone else's home--unless, of course, it's
their own, which is a totally different story. Ah, yes, anything
socialistic is horrible, as I'm continued to be reminded of in letters
to editors, sent through the socialistic post office system.
Allen
From: Bill Graham on

"Allen" <allent(a)austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:b72dnUktLsYsAzLXnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
> Ray Fischer wrote:
>> Bill Graham <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>>> "John A." <john(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
>>
>>>> I'm not a religious man by any stretch, but I think "there but for the
>>>> grace of God go I" is an apt metaphor. Some claim it to be literally
>>>> true, though they seem to forget sometimes these days.
>>> But that's what insurance is for, and it can (and should be) a private
>>> enterprise.
>>
>> Graham wants to eliminate Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, prevent
>> government assastance of any kind, and return to the days when people
>> who got sick died in the streets.
>>
>> Meanwhile he enjoys the very government benefits that he wishes to
>> deny others.
> Streets? Those socialistic, built-with-public-money thoroughfares that the
> right-right-wingnuts shouldn't tolerate? And they are patrolled by
> socialistic police who prevent the homeless and other trash from going to
> sleep on them? And if there's a fire somewhere, the socialist fire trucks
> go down them to save someone else's home--unless, of course, it's their
> own, which is a totally different story. Ah, yes, anything socialistic is
> horrible, as I'm continued to be reminded of in letters to editors, sent
> through the socialistic post office system.
> Allen

I email my letters to the editor......