From: Neil Harrington on

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4aaf27b0$0$1611$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net...
> Bill Graham <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>>"John A." <john(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
>
>>> I'm not a religious man by any stretch, but I think "there but for the
>>> grace of God go I" is an apt metaphor. Some claim it to be literally
>>> true, though they seem to forget sometimes these days.
>>
>>But that's what insurance is for, and it can (and should be) a private
>>enterprise.
>
> Graham wants to eliminate Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, prevent
> government assastance of any kind, and return to the days when people
> who got sick died in the streets.

Believe it or not, back in the day most "people who got sick" didn't die in
the streets, they just went to a doctor and paid out of their own pockets.
Hospitalizations, surgeries etc. that were more expensive were paid off as
the patient was able to do so. People who couldn't pay at all got treated
anyway. Most of the patients in the state hospital where I worked paid
nothing, for example, regardless of how long they stayed and the type of
treatment (including extensive surgery) they received.

When I was a kid there was no such thing as health insurance, or if there
was I never heard anyone mention it. Certainly my family didn't have it, and
still got medical care. But that was a long time ago -- you know, back in
the '40s and '50s that leftist-"liberals" nowadays tell us never existed.


From: Ray Fischer on
Neil Harrington <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote:
>"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message
>> Bill Graham <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>>>"John A." <john(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote in message

>>>> I'm not a religious man by any stretch, but I think "there but for the
>>>> grace of God go I" is an apt metaphor. Some claim it to be literally
>>>> true, though they seem to forget sometimes these days.
>>>
>>>But that's what insurance is for, and it can (and should be) a private
>>>enterprise.
>>
>> Graham wants to eliminate Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, prevent
>> government assastance of any kind, and return to the days when people
>> who got sick died in the streets.
>
>Believe it or not, back in the day most "people who got sick" didn't die in
>the streets, they just went to a doctor and paid out of their own pockets.

When they could afford it. Of course, that was when the life
expectancy was a lot shorter than it is now. A lot shorter.
Decades shorter.

>Hospitalizations, surgeries etc. that were more expensive were paid off as
>the patient was able to do so.

True for rich people. Not so true for poor people.

> People who couldn't pay at all got treated
>anyway.

Bullshit.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer(a)sonic.net

From: Dan Campbell on
Bill Graham wrote:
>
> "Allen" <allent(a)austin.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:b72dnUktLsYsAzLXnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>> Bill Graham <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> "John A." <john(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
>>>
>>>>> I'm not a religious man by any stretch, but I think "there but for the
>>>>> grace of God go I" is an apt metaphor. Some claim it to be literally
>>>>> true, though they seem to forget sometimes these days.
>>>> But that's what insurance is for, and it can (and should be) a
>>>> private enterprise.
>>>
>>> Graham wants to eliminate Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, prevent
>>> government assastance of any kind, and return to the days when people
>>> who got sick died in the streets.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile he enjoys the very government benefits that he wishes to
>>> deny others.
>> Streets? Those socialistic, built-with-public-money thoroughfares that
>> the right-right-wingnuts shouldn't tolerate? And they are patrolled by
>> socialistic police who prevent the homeless and other trash from going
>> to sleep on them? And if there's a fire somewhere, the socialist fire
>> trucks go down them to save someone else's home--unless, of course,
>> it's their own, which is a totally different story. Ah, yes, anything
>> socialistic is horrible, as I'm continued to be reminded of in letters
>> to editors, sent through the socialistic post office system.
>> Allen
>
> I email my letters to the editor......

You do recognize the U.S. government's role in the development of the
Internet, don't you?
From: Rol_Lei Nut on
Neil Harrington wrote:

>
> When I was a kid there was no such thing as health insurance, or if there
> was I never heard anyone mention it. Certainly my family didn't have it, and
> still got medical care. But that was a long time ago -- you know, back in
> the '40s and '50s that leftist-"liberals" nowadays tell us never existed.
>

And look how the life expectancy figures have changed since then.

Also the survival rates for any given disease.

Do you want to live in a faded postcard or something?

From: J. Clarke on
Rol_Lei Nut wrote:
> Neil Harrington wrote:
>
>>
>> When I was a kid there was no such thing as health insurance, or if
>> there was I never heard anyone mention it. Certainly my family
>> didn't have it, and still got medical care. But that was a long time
>> ago -- you know, back in the '40s and '50s that leftist-"liberals"
>> nowadays tell us never existed.
>>
>
> And look how the life expectancy figures have changed since then.

Why don't you show us.

> Also the survival rates for any given disease.

So how _has_ the survival rate for the common cold changed?

> Do you want to live in a faded postcard or something?

That faded postcard did great things. What have the current workers'
paradises achieved?