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"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message
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> Rol_Lei Nut wrote:

[...]

>> And look how the life expectancy figures have changed since then.
>
> Why don't you show us.

United States male life expectancy 1950: 65.60 years
United States male life expectancy 2009: 75.42 years

http://www.data360.org/dataset.aspx?Data_Set_Id=339



From: Bill Graham on

"Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote in message
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> "Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message
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>> Bill Graham <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>>>"John A." <john(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
>>
>>>> I'm not a religious man by any stretch, but I think "there but for the
>>>> grace of God go I" is an apt metaphor. Some claim it to be literally
>>>> true, though they seem to forget sometimes these days.
>>>
>>>But that's what insurance is for, and it can (and should be) a private
>>>enterprise.
>>
>> Graham wants to eliminate Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, prevent
>> government assastance of any kind, and return to the days when people
>> who got sick died in the streets.
>
> Believe it or not, back in the day most "people who got sick" didn't die
> in the streets, they just went to a doctor and paid out of their own
> pockets. Hospitalizations, surgeries etc. that were more expensive were
> paid off as the patient was able to do so. People who couldn't pay at all
> got treated anyway. Most of the patients in the state hospital where I
> worked paid nothing, for example, regardless of how long they stayed and
> the type of treatment (including extensive surgery) they received.
>
> When I was a kid there was no such thing as health insurance, or if there
> was I never heard anyone mention it. Certainly my family didn't have it,
> and still got medical care. But that was a long time ago -- you know, back
> in the '40s and '50s that leftist-"liberals" nowadays tell us never
> existed.
>
>
I just want to return to the days when people tried to take care of
themselves, and didn't depend on the government to do it for them.....There
is nothing wrong with insurance, but why does the government have to sell
it? There is nothing wrong with saving for your retirement. But why does the
government have to do it for you? (especially when they don't really save,
but only spend your money and mark down in a book somewhere that they,
"saved" it for you) Even Roosevelt, who thought up the plan, expected the
government to invest the money in American business.....(He would be rolling
over in his grave right now, if he knew that they just spent the money....)
And when conservative presidents like Bush, try to get them to invest the
money properly, they get lambasted for the very idea....."You can't trust
business" the people say. What they should be saying is, "We would rather
the government spends it, than invests it." They can sure trust that there
won't be any money there when it all gets spent. (and you guys think I am
crazy)

From: Bill Graham on

"Dan Campbell" <danlmac(a)orbitelcom.com> wrote in message
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>>>>
Meanwhile he enjoys the very government benefits that he wishes to
deny others.


Of course. You don't expect us conservatives to hide behind the door when
the government is passing out taxpayer's money, do you? As a matter of fact,
W.F. Buckley advised us to all quit our jobs and get in the welfare
lines.....We would be able to break the system overnight, because it's OUR
money they are giving away!

From: Bill Graham on

"Rol_Lei Nut" <Speleo_Karstlenscap(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Neil Harrington wrote:
>
>>
>> When I was a kid there was no such thing as health insurance, or if there
>> was I never heard anyone mention it. Certainly my family didn't have it,
>> and still got medical care. But that was a long time ago -- you know,
>> back in the '40s and '50s that leftist-"liberals" nowadays tell us never
>> existed.
>>
>
> And look how the life expectancy figures have changed since then.
>
> Also the survival rates for any given disease.

Not if the disease is, "lack of self reliance, and dependence on the
government to make all your decisions for you." Every day, in every way, we
are getting closer to that padded cell......

From: Rol_Lei Nut on
Bill Graham wrote:
>
> "Rol_Lei Nut" <Speleo_Karstlenscap(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7hbedcF2t0e4gU1(a)mid.individual.net...
>> Neil Harrington wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> When I was a kid there was no such thing as health insurance, or if
>>> there was I never heard anyone mention it. Certainly my family didn't
>>> have it, and still got medical care. But that was a long time ago --
>>> you know, back in the '40s and '50s that leftist-"liberals" nowadays
>>> tell us never existed.
>>>
>>
>> And look how the life expectancy figures have changed since then.
>>
>> Also the survival rates for any given disease.
>
> Not if the disease is, "lack of self reliance, and dependence on the
> government to make all your decisions for you." Every day, in every way,
> we are getting closer to that padded cell......

Well, the disease in your case (and possibly the padded cell) is called
"compulsive obsession".