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From: Steven Woody on 15 Jun 2007 12:41
is it a good idea of using Kodak Automatic Tray Siphon to wash 120
roll films?

and, i also heard Jobo and Ap provide a product which looks like a
pipe connected to their develop tanks used for washing films in tank.
it's cheaper than the tray siphon, but i think if i buy the tray
siphon i can also use it to wash prints, so that's might be a better
decision.

i like to here your opinions about the subject. thanks!

-
woody

From: Jean-David Beyer on 15 Jun 2007 13:12
Steven Woody wrote:
> is it a good idea of using Kodak Automatic Tray Siphon to wash 120
> roll films?

I never tried it, but I do not shoot much roll film. I use tray syphon only
to wash RC color prints of 8x10 size in 11x14 tray.
>
> and, i also heard Jobo and Ap provide a product which looks like a
> pipe connected to their develop tanks used for washing films in tank.
> it's cheaper than the tray siphon, but i think if i buy the tray
> siphon i can also use it to wash prints, so that's might be a better
> decision.

I use Jobo 2500 size reels in two of their tanks. These reels can do 120 and
220 size film as well, though I use them mostly for 35 mm rolls and 4x5
sheets. I have seen their film washer gizmo. But I just stick a flexible
hose down the center of the reels and let the water run for 10 minutes.
After 5 minutes, I dump the water and let it refill. Then at 9 minutes, I do
it again. Then I hypo clear for a minute and then photo-flo for a minute.

The advantage of the Jobo gizmo that I do not use is that it mixes air
bubbles with the water. I am not sure what good that does. Some people do
that with their print washers too. In the winter, it might be an advantage
if it lets the dissolved air in the water come out of solution instead of
forming on the surfaces of the prints. In print washers, the water flow is
much less than when washing film, and this happens, especially if you are
mixing cold and hot water to get the mixture at the temperature you want.
But with film, I have never had a problem with this.
>
> i like to here your opinions about the subject. thanks!
>
> -
> woody
>


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From: Richard Knoppow on 15 Jun 2007 14:48

"Steven Woody" <narkewoody(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1181925713.026772.61890(a)n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> is it a good idea of using Kodak Automatic Tray Siphon to
> wash 120
> roll films?
>
> and, i also heard Jobo and Ap provide a product which
> looks like a
> pipe connected to their develop tanks used for washing
> films in tank.
> it's cheaper than the tray siphon, but i think if i buy
> the tray
> siphon i can also use it to wash prints, so that's might
> be a better
> decision.
>
> i like to here your opinions about the subject. thanks!
>
> -
> woody
>
The tray syphon works fine for sheet film but you must
make sure the sheets don't stick together in the tray just
as you would when washing prints.
For roll film I stick the end of a hose into the center
of the tank. The JOBO system sounds about like this but I am
not familiar with it.


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From: John Boy on 15 Jun 2007 20:55
Steven Woody wrote:
> is it a good idea of using Kodak Automatic Tray Siphon to wash 120
> roll films?

No.

Use hypo-clear and wash in the tank.
From: Steven Woody on 16 Jun 2007 06:24
On Jun 16, 8:55 am, John Boy <a...(a)askme.tv> wrote:
> Steven Woody wrote:
> > is it a good idea of using Kodak Automatic Tray Siphon to wash 120
> > roll films?
>
> No.
>
> Use hypo-clear and wash in the tank.

thanks.

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