From: Neil Harrington on

"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:25:21 +0000, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org>
> wrote:
>
>>Only whilst the US stays within it's own boarders and does not trade
>>with anyone else.
>
> We repel boarders ever since those water-boarding incidents.

Absolutely, and we certainly don't stay within them -- I have no idea how
you'd go about doing that anyway.

Some boarders are all right of course, as long as they pay on time.


From: Neil Harrington on

"J�rgen Exner" <jurgenex(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote:
>>In message <W8-dnQ16jqYTl2fXnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Neil
>>Harrington <secret(a)illumnati.net> writes
>>>> Even though the Yanks left the Empire they still won't join the rest of
>>>> the world.
>>>
>>>And go metric, you mean? There'd be no point to it.
>>
>>You may have no choice... In many places I see Global standards that are
>>used the whole world over except in the USA. Eventually the US is going
>>to have to fit in with the rest of the world.
>
> Naa, no chance. They are way to convinced about their own unfailable
> superiority and not using ISO is a matter of national security and
> pride. Anyting _inter_national is by definition suspicious, evil, and to
> be fought at all cost because it will destroy the American Way of Life.
> Miles and pounds and gallons are a matter of national identity and no
> rational argument can fight irrational superstition.

You seem to have a very, very odd way of looking at the world, to put it
mildly.


From: ColinD on
Bill Graham wrote:
>
> "Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote in message
> news:Ba-dnXxPaOA3AmDXnZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>
>> "Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message
>> news:Y$7wpfVEOY$KFAb8(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>>> In message <W8-dnQ16jqYTl2fXnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Neil
>>> Harrington <secret(a)illumnati.net> writes
>>>>> Even though the Yanks left the Empire they still won't join the
>>>>> rest of
>>>>> the world.
>>>>
>>>> And go metric, you mean? There'd be no point to it.
>>>
>>> You may have no choice... In many places I see Global standards that are
>>> used the whole world over except in the USA. Eventually the US is going
>>> to have to fit in with the rest of the world.
>>
>> The two systems co-exist perfectly well in virtually all everyday
>> applications. If you're expecting to see American mileage signs on the
>> highways change to kilometers, neither you nor your
>> great-grandchildren will see that happen in your entire lifetimes. And
>> we'll still be buying our milk in quarts and our meat by the pound.
>> There is simply no reason to change.
>>
>> The metric system seems to have started because Europeans squabbled
>> over measurements, as Europeans always do over one thing or another.
>> The English mile was different from the Italian mile, and neither
>> would accept the standard of the other. English barrels came in
>> different sizes for different liquids, confusing units of measure
>> based on the barrel. And so on. Such problems neither had then nor
>> have now nothing to do with us here.
>>
> It's just like the drive on the left/right side of the road
> controversy.....What could be more stupid than that? All the auto
> manufacturers in the world have to make their cars mirror-imaged for
> export to England and Australia, and they even have to change lanes in
> the middle of the tunnel under the English channel......Ridiculous!
> Especially when it takes anyone with half a brain about 10 minutes to
> learn to drive on the other side of the road! And these are countries
> who aren't even at war with one another.....Go figure.....

Also South Africa and half the rest of African countries, also Japan,
Hong Kong, Taiwan, and the biggie, Indonesia - more population than the
USA - all drive on the left, and Tonga has just changed to driving on
the left because cars sourced from drive-left countries are cheaper and
better suited to the island.

As for adapting to the other side of the road in about 10 minutes, there
are real problems with that. In this country - New Zealand - we have
many road accidents caused by American and European drivers. They can
drive on the 'wrong' side while they think about it, but when it comes
to roundabouts they get confused and end up on the wrong side of the
road. And in an emergency situation, instinct kicks in and they
automatically steer right - right into oncoming traffic. There was an
American on a motor bike not long ago who did that, and went head-on
into a truck, lost a leg among other serious injuries. An Austrian
woman in a rental RV did the same, and collected about 8 or 9 motorbikes
out on a charity run, killed about five of them including a father and
daughter. 10 minutes is a joke. Six months is more like it, to retrain
your automatic reactions.

Colin D.
From: Savageduck on
On 2009-11-13 22:40:42 -0800, ColinD <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> said:

> Bill Graham wrote:
>>
>> "Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote in message
>> news:Ba-dnXxPaOA3AmDXnZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>
>>> "Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message
>>> news:Y$7wpfVEOY$KFAb8(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>>>> In message <W8-dnQ16jqYTl2fXnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Neil
>>>> Harrington <secret(a)illumnati.net> writes
>>>>>> Even though the Yanks left the Empire they still won't join the rest of
>>>>>> the world.
>>>>>
>>>>> And go metric, you mean? There'd be no point to it.
>>>>
>>>> You may have no choice... In many places I see Global standards that are
>>>> used the whole world over except in the USA. Eventually the US is going
>>>> to have to fit in with the rest of the world.
>>>
>>> The two systems co-exist perfectly well in virtually all everyday
>>> applications. If you're expecting to see American mileage signs on the
>>> highways change to kilometers, neither you nor your great-grandchildren
>>> will see that happen in your entire lifetimes. And we'll still be
>>> buying our milk in quarts and our meat by the pound. There is simply no
>>> reason to change.
>>>
>>> The metric system seems to have started because Europeans squabbled
>>> over measurements, as Europeans always do over one thing or another.
>>> The English mile was different from the Italian mile, and neither would
>>> accept the standard of the other. English barrels came in different
>>> sizes for different liquids, confusing units of measure based on the
>>> barrel. And so on. Such problems neither had then nor have now nothing
>>> to do with us here.
>>>
>> It's just like the drive on the left/right side of the road
>> controversy.....What could be more stupid than that? All the auto
>> manufacturers in the world have to make their cars mirror-imaged for
>> export to England and Australia, and they even have to change lanes in
>> the middle of the tunnel under the English channel......Ridiculous!
>> Especially when it takes anyone with half a brain about 10 minutes to
>> learn to drive on the other side of the road! And these are countries
>> who aren't even at war with one another.....Go figure.....
>
> Also South Africa and half the rest of African countries, also Japan,
> Hong Kong, Taiwan, and the biggie, Indonesia - more population than the
> USA - all drive on the left, and Tonga has just changed to driving on
> the left because cars sourced from drive-left countries are cheaper and
> better suited to the island.
>
> As for adapting to the other side of the road in about 10 minutes,
> there are real problems with that. In this country - New Zealand - we
> have many road accidents caused by American and European drivers. They
> can drive on the 'wrong' side while they think about it, but when it
> comes to roundabouts they get confused and end up on the wrong side of
> the road. And in an emergency situation, instinct kicks in and they
> automatically steer right - right into oncoming traffic. There was an
> American on a motor bike not long ago who did that, and went head-on
> into a truck, lost a leg among other serious injuries. An Austrian
> woman in a rental RV did the same, and collected about 8 or 9
> motorbikes out on a charity run, killed about five of them including a
> father and daughter. 10 minutes is a joke. Six months is more like
> it, to retrain your automatic reactions.
>
> Colin D.

The critical factor in maintaining safety in the left/right hand drive
issue, is to be consistent with having a left hand drive when driving
on the right, and right hand drive when driving on the left side of the
road. This positions the driver along the center line on the road and
away from the edge of the road in the direction of travel. I believe
this was one of the major factors in banning left hand drive vehicles
in many countries with driving on the left rules of the road.

Those unfamiliar with local conditions have reflexive behavior which is
difficult to over come. I have investigated accidents where a driver
from a "left hand side of the road" country driving on the right in the
US, has made a left turn at an intersection, the tendency is to turn
sharp left, turning directly into oncoming traffic on the right. The
same would be true when driving on the left and making a right turn,
ending up in the left lane facing oncoming traffic.

Still there are many right hand drive vehicles used for rural mail
delivery in the US, and those drivers seem to do fine hugging the right
edge of the road without turning into oncoming traffic.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

From: Wilba on
Savageduck wrote:
> ColinD said:
>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>
>>> It's just like the drive on the left/right side of the road
>>> controversy.....What could be more stupid than that? All the auto
>>> manufacturers in the world have to make their cars mirror-imaged for
>>> export to England and Australia, and they even have to change lanes in
>>> the middle of the tunnel under the English channel......Ridiculous!
>>> Especially when it takes anyone with half a brain about 10 minutes to
>>> learn to drive on the other side of the road! And these are countries
>>> who aren't even at war with one another.....Go figure.....
>>
>> Also South Africa and half the rest of African countries, also Japan,
>> Hong Kong, Taiwan, and the biggie, Indonesia - more population than the
>> USA - all drive on the left, and Tonga has just changed to driving on the
>> left because cars sourced from drive-left countries are cheaper and
>> better suited to the island.
>>
>> As for adapting to the other side of the road in about 10 minutes, there
>> are real problems with that. In this country - New Zealand - we have
>> many road accidents caused by American and European drivers. They can
>> drive on the 'wrong' side while they think about it, but when it comes
>> to roundabouts they get confused and end up on the wrong side of the
>> road. And in an emergency situation, instinct kicks in and they
>> automatically steer right - right into oncoming traffic. There was an
>> American on a motor bike not long ago who did that, and went head-on into
>> a truck, lost a leg among other serious injuries. An Austrian woman in a
>> rental RV did the same, and collected about 8 or 9 motorbikes out on a
>> charity run, killed about five of them including a father and daughter.
>> 10 minutes is a joke. Six months is more like it, to retrain your
>> automatic reactions.
>
> The critical factor in maintaining safety in the left/right hand drive
> issue, is to be consistent with having a left hand drive when driving on
> the right, and right hand drive when driving on the left side of the road.
> This positions the driver along the center line on the road and away from
> the edge of the road in the direction of travel. I believe this was one of
> the major factors in banning left hand drive vehicles in many countries
> with driving on the left rules of the road.
>
> Those unfamiliar with local conditions have reflexive behavior which is
> difficult to over come. I have investigated accidents where a driver from
> a "left hand side of the road" country driving on the right in the US, has
> made a left turn at an intersection, the tendency is to turn sharp left,
> turning directly into oncoming traffic on the right. The same would be
> true when driving on the left and making a right turn, ending up in the
> left lane facing oncoming traffic.
>
> Still there are many right hand drive vehicles used for rural mail
> delivery in the US, and those drivers seem to do fine hugging the right
> edge of the road without turning into oncoming traffic.

Years ago I read that left-hand drive is safer overall, because when a
person is startled they tend to raise their non-dominant hand to protect
their head. If at the time they are steering a car on the left of the road,
9 out of 10 will therefore sverve into oncoming traffic. Apparently the
effect is statistically significant.