From: Bill Graham on

"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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> On 2009-11-14 00:08:39 -0800, "Wilba" <usenet(a)CUTTHISimago.com.au> said:
>
>> Savageduck wrote:
>>> ColinD said:
>>>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It's just like the drive on the left/right side of the road
>>>>> controversy.....What could be more stupid than that? All the auto
>>>>> manufacturers in the world have to make their cars mirror-imaged for
>>>>> export to England and Australia, and they even have to change lanes in
>>>>> the middle of the tunnel under the English channel......Ridiculous!
>>>>> Especially when it takes anyone with half a brain about 10 minutes to
>>>>> learn to drive on the other side of the road! And these are countries
>>>>> who aren't even at war with one another.....Go figure.....
>>>>
>>>> Also South Africa and half the rest of African countries, also Japan,
>>>> Hong Kong, Taiwan, and the biggie, Indonesia - more population than the
>>>> USA - all drive on the left, and Tonga has just changed to driving on
>>>> the
>>>> left because cars sourced from drive-left countries are cheaper and
>>>> better suited to the island.
>>>>
>>>> As for adapting to the other side of the road in about 10 minutes,
>>>> there
>>>> are real problems with that. In this country - New Zealand - we have
>>>> many road accidents caused by American and European drivers. They can
>>>> drive on the 'wrong' side while they think about it, but when it comes
>>>> to roundabouts they get confused and end up on the wrong side of the
>>>> road. And in an emergency situation, instinct kicks in and they
>>>> automatically steer right - right into oncoming traffic. There was an
>>>> American on a motor bike not long ago who did that, and went head-on
>>>> into
>>>> a truck, lost a leg among other serious injuries. An Austrian woman in
>>>> a
>>>> rental RV did the same, and collected about 8 or 9 motorbikes out on a
>>>> charity run, killed about five of them including a father and daughter.
>>>> 10 minutes is a joke. Six months is more like it, to retrain your
>>>> automatic reactions.
>>>
>>> The critical factor in maintaining safety in the left/right hand drive
>>> issue, is to be consistent with having a left hand drive when driving on
>>> the right, and right hand drive when driving on the left side of the
>>> road.
>>> This positions the driver along the center line on the road and away
>>> from
>>> the edge of the road in the direction of travel. I believe this was one
>>> of
>>> the major factors in banning left hand drive vehicles in many countries
>>> with driving on the left rules of the road.
>>>
>>> Those unfamiliar with local conditions have reflexive behavior which is
>>> difficult to over come. I have investigated accidents where a driver
>>> from
>>> a "left hand side of the road" country driving on the right in the US,
>>> has
>>> made a left turn at an intersection, the tendency is to turn sharp left,
>>> turning directly into oncoming traffic on the right. The same would be
>>> true when driving on the left and making a right turn, ending up in the
>>> left lane facing oncoming traffic.
>>>
>>> Still there are many right hand drive vehicles used for rural mail
>>> delivery in the US, and those drivers seem to do fine hugging the right
>>> edge of the road without turning into oncoming traffic.
>>
>> Years ago I read that left-hand drive is safer overall, because when a
>> person is startled they tend to raise their non-dominant hand to protect
>> their head. If at the time they are steering a car on the left of the
>> road,
>> 9 out of 10 will therefore sverve into oncoming traffic. Apparently the
>> effect is statistically significant.
>
> It seems we left our history far behind. Have you ever noticed where the
> good old Wells Fargo stage coach driver sat, ...on the right, shotgun on
> the left.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Savageduck
>
Hummmm.....I wonder why? - Did the Indians usually attack from the left side
of the road?

From: Bill Graham on

"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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> On 2009-11-14 02:53:09 -0800, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
> said:
>
>> On 2009-11-14 02:30:45 -0800, "Wilba" <usenet(a)CUTTHISimago.com.au> said:
>>
>>> Savageduck wrote:
>>>> Wilba said:
>>>>>
>>>>> Years ago I read that left-hand drive is safer overall, because when a
>>>>> person is startled they tend to raise their non-dominant hand to
>>>>> protect
>>>>> their head. If at the time they are steering a car on the left of the
>>>>> road,
>>>>> 9 out of 10 will therefore sverve into oncoming traffic. Apparently
>>>>> the
>>>>> effect is statistically significant.
>>>>
>>>> It seems we left our history far behind. Have you ever noticed where
>>>> the
>>>> good old Wells Fargo stage coach driver sat, ...on the right, shotgun
>>>> on
>>>> the left.
>>>
>>> Don't see many of them 'round these here parts. :- )
>>
>> Note the driver on the left.
>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Concord_stagecoach_1869.png
>
> Sorry, that was the right, the shot gun was on the left.
> Now I don't know my left from my right!
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Savageduck
>
Are you sure the picture wasn't reversed? I don't see the, "Wells Fargo"
logo written anywhere, so it could have been......Back in the "film" days,
that happened a lot.......I wonder, is it possible to get a digital picture
reversed?

From: Bill Graham on

"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message
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> RustY � wrote:
>> "Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote in message
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>>
>>> Government overspending is a huge part of the problem, that's true.
>>> Also the fact that as we live longer but in most cases still start
>>> drawing Social Security at somewhere between 62 and 65, there are
>>> fewer and fewer workers supporting each retiree through that system.
>>
>> So, you need to vote for more taxes - or less social services -
>> simple.
>
> We vote for neither taxes nor social services, we vote for politicians.
>
And politicians always vote for more taxes....."Other People's Money", you
know.....

From: Bill Graham on

"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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> On 2009-11-14 04:27:19 -0800, "Wilba" <usenet(a)CUTTHISimago.com.au> said:
>
>> Savageduck wrote:
>>> Savageduck said:
>>>> Wilba said:
>>>>> Savageduck wrote:
>>>>>> Wilba said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Years ago I read that left-hand drive is safer overall, because when
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> person is startled they tend to raise their non-dominant hand to
>>>>>>> protect
>>>>>>> their head. If at the time they are steering a car on the left of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> road, 9 out of 10 will therefore sverve into oncoming traffic.
>>>>>>> Apparently the effect is statistically significant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems we left our history far behind. Have you ever noticed where
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> good old Wells Fargo stage coach driver sat, ...on the right, shotgun
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> the left.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't see many of them 'round these here parts. :- )
>>>>
>>>> Note the driver on the left.
>>>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Concord_stagecoach_1869.png
>>>
>>> Sorry, that was the right, the shot gun was on the left.
>>> Now I don't know my left from my right!
>>
>> I worked that out. :- )
>>
>> I wonder why they did it that way, since the driver is on the ejector
>> side...? Maybe the convention pre-dates the widespread use of repeating
>> rifles.
>
> I think it was a case of right handed shotgun shooters out numbering left
> handed shooters. That way they wouldn't have to replace a driver every
> time a left handed guard blew the driver away. Maybe a qualification for
> shotgun guards was to be right handed.
>
> Maybe there was a rule of the road that stagecoach robbers had a "rob from
> left side" only sense of etiquette. ;-)
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Savageduck
>
Maybe it had something to do with which side the shells were ejected from
when the rifle action was worked....It would be very annoying to the driver
if the hot shell casings were ejected into his face while he was trying to
get away from the bad guys.....

From: George Kerby on



On 11/14/09 9:03 AM, in article
8LudnUMIR_9IW2PXnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d(a)giganews.com, "Neil Harrington"
<secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote:

>
> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>>
>> It seems we left our history far behind. Have you ever noticed where the
>> good old Wells Fargo stage coach driver sat, ...on the right, shotgun on
>> the left.
>
> Apparently that was the standard arrangement for all horse and buggy drivers
> too. (Going by the movies, anyway.)
>
> And it's still the standard position for whoever's steering a power boat.

Same with civilian helicopter pilots.
>
> At least some of the earliest American automobiles had right-hand drive
> also. Now I'm wondering where and why left-hand drive got started. Perhaps
> it was because the gearshift was centrally located, and it's more natural to
> work that with the dominant hand, which for 90% of people is the right one.
>
>