From: Wilba on
Bill Graham wrote:
> Savageduck wrote:
>> Wilba said:
>>> Savageduck wrote:
>>>> Savageduck said:
>>>>> Wilba said:
>>>>>> Savageduck wrote:
>>>>>>> Wilba said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Years ago I read that left-hand drive is safer overall, because
>>>>>>>> when a
>>>>>>>> person is startled they tend to raise their non-dominant hand to
>>>>>>>> protect
>>>>>>>> their head. If at the time they are steering a car on the left of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> road, 9 out of 10 will therefore sverve into oncoming traffic.
>>>>>>>> Apparently the effect is statistically significant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It seems we left our history far behind. Have you ever noticed where
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> good old Wells Fargo stage coach driver sat, ...on the right,
>>>>>>> shotgun
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> the left.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't see many of them 'round these here parts. :- )
>>>>>
>>>>> Note the driver on the left.
>>>>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Concord_stagecoach_1869.png
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, that was the right, the shot gun was on the left.
>>>> Now I don't know my left from my right!
>>>
>>> I worked that out. :- )
>>>
>>> I wonder why they did it that way, since the driver is on the ejector
>>> side...? Maybe the convention pre-dates the widespread use of repeating
>>> rifles.
>>
>> I think it was a case of right handed shotgun shooters out numbering left
>> handed shooters. That way they wouldn't have to replace a driver every
>> time a left handed guard blew the driver away. Maybe a qualification for
>> shotgun guards was to be right handed.
>>
>> Maybe there was a rule of the road that stagecoach robbers had a "rob
>> from left side" only sense of etiquette. ;-)
>
> Maybe it had something to do with which side the shells were ejected from
> when the rifle action was worked....It would be very annoying to the
> driver if the hot shell casings were ejected into his face while he was
> trying to get away from the bad guys.....

But in that photo the driver is on the ejector side.


From: Wilba on
Bill Graham wrote:
> Savageduck wrote:
>> Savageduck said:
>>> Wilba said:
>>>> Savageduck wrote:
>>>>> Wilba said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Years ago I read that left-hand drive is safer overall, because when
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> person is startled they tend to raise their non-dominant hand to
>>>>>> protect
>>>>>> their head. If at the time they are steering a car on the left of the
>>>>>> road,
>>>>>> 9 out of 10 will therefore sverve into oncoming traffic. Apparently
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> effect is statistically significant.
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems we left our history far behind. Have you ever noticed where
>>>>> the
>>>>> good old Wells Fargo stage coach driver sat, ...on the right, shotgun
>>>>> on
>>>>> the left.
>>>>
>>>> Don't see many of them 'round these here parts. :- )
>>>
>>> Note the driver on the left.
>>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Concord_stagecoach_1869.png
>>
>> Sorry, that was the right, the shot gun was on the left.
>> Now I don't know my left from my right!
>
> Are you sure the picture wasn't reversed? I don't see the, "Wells Fargo"
> logo written anywhere, so it could have been......Back in the "film" days,
> that happened a lot.......I wonder, is it possible to get a digital
> picture reversed?

"The express messenger [armed guard] for stagecoaches typically rode in a
seat on top of the coach, next to the driver (this was usually on the
driver's left, since stage drivers typically sat on the right)" -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun_messenger

But if they were mostly using double-barrelled shotguns, there's no
to-the-right ejection.


From: Bill Graham on

"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:03:59 -0000, "R. Mark Clayton"
> <nospamclayton(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>US units are a shambolic mess, inconsistent with each other and almost
>>completely irrational for dealing with the real world.
>>
> And yet we manage.
>
> The world that each of us lives in is the "real world". We, who live
> in the US, have no problem dealing with our system.
>
All the machine shop owners I have known (and I have known many) prided
themselves on being able to work with either the English or metric systems.

From: Bill Graham on

"George Kerby" <ghost_topper(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> On 11/14/09 9:03 AM, in article
> 8LudnUMIR_9IW2PXnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d(a)giganews.com, "Neil Harrington"
> <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
>> news:2009111401130782327-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom...
>>
>>
>>>
>>> It seems we left our history far behind. Have you ever noticed where the
>>> good old Wells Fargo stage coach driver sat, ...on the right, shotgun on
>>> the left.
>>
>> Apparently that was the standard arrangement for all horse and buggy
>> drivers
>> too. (Going by the movies, anyway.)
>>
>> And it's still the standard position for whoever's steering a power boat.

Did the Indians frequently attack power boats?

From: Bill Graham on

"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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> On 2009-11-14 10:03:45 -0800, "Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net>
> said:
>
>>
>> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
>> news:2009111407313133169-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom...
>>> On 2009-11-14 06:58:27 -0800, George Kerby <ghost_topper(a)hotmail.com>
>>> said:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/14/09 4:55 AM, in article
>>>> 2009111402550242612-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom, "Savageduck"
>>>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2009-11-14 02:53:09 -0800, Savageduck
>>>>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
>>>>> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2009-11-14 02:30:45 -0800, "Wilba" <usenet(a)CUTTHISimago.com.au>
>>>>>> said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Savageduck wrote:
>>>>>>>> Wilba said:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Years ago I read that left-hand drive is safer overall, because
>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> person is startled they tend to raise their non-dominant hand to
>>>>>>>>> protect
>>>>>>>>> their head. If at the time they are steering a car on the left of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> road,
>>>>>>>>> 9 out of 10 will therefore sverve into oncoming traffic.
>>>>>>>>> Apparently
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> effect is statistically significant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It seems we left our history far behind. Have you ever noticed
>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> good old Wells Fargo stage coach driver sat, ...on the right,
>>>>>>>> shotgun
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> the left.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't see many of them 'round these here parts. :- )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note the driver on the left.
>>>>>>
>>>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Concord_stagecoach_1869.pn>>
>>>> g
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, that was the right, the shot gun was on the left.
>>>>> Now I don't know my left from my right!
>>>> The negative was flopped...?
>>>
>>> Aah! The Billy The Kid, left hand gun paradox.
>>
>> Yep. To this day, many (probably most) people still believe that Henry
>> "Billy the Kid" McCarty was left-handed. One of the movies about him,
>> "The
>> Left Handed Gun," has surely contributed to that falsehood.
>
> Well here is a photo of a stagecoach, driven from the right, and with the
> type on the coach correct and not mirror imaged.
> http://www.old-picture.com/old-west/pictures/Stagecoach-Western.jpg
>
Yes, but his wife wasn't carrying a shotgun......