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"Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote in message
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> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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>>> On 2009-11-14 04:27:19 -0800, "Wilba" <usenet(a)CUTTHISimago.com.au> said:
>>>
>>>> Savageduck wrote:
>>>>> Savageduck said:
>>>>>> Wilba said:
>>>>>>> Savageduck wrote:
>>>>>>>> Wilba said:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Years ago I read that left-hand drive is safer overall, because
>>>>>>>>> when a
>>>>>>>>> person is startled they tend to raise their non-dominant hand to
>>>>>>>>> protect
>>>>>>>>> their head. If at the time they are steering a car on the left of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> road, 9 out of 10 will therefore sverve into oncoming traffic.
>>>>>>>>> Apparently the effect is statistically significant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It seems we left our history far behind. Have you ever noticed
>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> good old Wells Fargo stage coach driver sat, ...on the right,
>>>>>>>> shotgun
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> the left.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't see many of them 'round these here parts. :- )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note the driver on the left.
>>>>>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Concord_stagecoach_1869.png
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, that was the right, the shot gun was on the left.
>>>>> Now I don't know my left from my right!
>>>>
>>>> I worked that out. :- )
>>>>
>>>> I wonder why they did it that way, since the driver is on the ejector
>>>> side...? Maybe the convention pre-dates the widespread use of repeating
>>>> rifles.
>>>
>>> I think it was a case of right handed shotgun shooters out numbering
>>> left handed shooters. That way they wouldn't have to replace a driver
>>> every time a left handed guard blew the driver away. Maybe a
>>> qualification for shotgun guards was to be right handed.
>>>
>>> Maybe there was a rule of the road that stagecoach robbers had a "rob
>>> from left side" only sense of etiquette. ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Savageduck
>>>
>> Maybe it had something to do with which side the shells were ejected from
>> when the rifle action was worked....It would be very annoying to the
>> driver if the hot shell casings were ejected into his face while he was
>> trying to get away from the bad guys.....
>
> I think most Winchester lever actions eject more or less straight up.
> Marlins I believe have always ejected to the right, but most of the rifles
> in stagecoach days were surely Winchesters.
>
Straight up wouldn't be too bad. The operator would learn to tilt the weapon
in the right direction before working the action, so the empty shells would
go where he wanted them to go.....Also, it would be just as easy to shoot
for both left and right handers.....

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"Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote in message
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> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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>> On 2009-11-14 10:03:45 -0800, "Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net>
>> said:
>>
>>>
>>> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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>>>> On 2009-11-14 06:58:27 -0800, George Kerby <ghost_topper(a)hotmail.com>
>>>> said:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/14/09 4:55 AM, in article
>>>>> 2009111402550242612-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom, "Savageduck"
>>>>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2009-11-14 02:53:09 -0800, Savageduck
>>>>>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
>>>>>> said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2009-11-14 02:30:45 -0800, "Wilba" <usenet(a)CUTTHISimago.com.au>
>>>>>>> said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Savageduck wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Wilba said:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Years ago I read that left-hand drive is safer overall, because
>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> person is startled they tend to raise their non-dominant hand to
>>>>>>>>>> protect
>>>>>>>>>> their head. If at the time they are steering a car on the left of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> road,
>>>>>>>>>> 9 out of 10 will therefore sverve into oncoming traffic.
>>>>>>>>>> Apparently
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> effect is statistically significant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It seems we left our history far behind. Have you ever noticed
>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> good old Wells Fargo stage coach driver sat, ...on the right,
>>>>>>>>> shotgun
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> the left.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't see many of them 'round these here parts. :- )
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note the driver on the left.
>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Concord_stagecoach_1869.pn>>
>>>>> g
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, that was the right, the shot gun was on the left.
>>>>>> Now I don't know my left from my right!
>>>>> The negative was flopped...?
>>>>
>>>> Aah! The Billy The Kid, left hand gun paradox.
>>>
>>> Yep. To this day, many (probably most) people still believe that Henry
>>> "Billy the Kid" McCarty was left-handed. One of the movies about him,
>>> "The
>>> Left Handed Gun," has surely contributed to that falsehood.
>>
>> Well here is a photo of a stagecoach, driven from the right, and with the
>> type on the coach correct and not mirror imaged.
>> http://www.old-picture.com/old-west/pictures/Stagecoach-Western.jpg
>>
>> and anothers of what seems to be of great character drivers (on the
>> right)
>> http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-oldwest/Deadwood%20stagecoach.jpg
>> http://www.owensvalleyhistory.com/cerro_gordo2/stage_coach.jpg
>
> Yes, stagecoaches and horse-drawn buggies were always driven from the
> right. I've never seen any picture showing otherwise.
Strange....I wonder why their replacement automobiles were developed to be
operated from the left side?

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>> "Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote in message
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>>> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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>>>> On 2009-11-14 06:58:27 -0800, George Kerby <ghost_topper(a)hotmail.com>
>>>> said:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/14/09 4:55 AM, in article
>>>>> 2009111402550242612-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom, "Savageduck"
>>>>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2009-11-14 02:53:09 -0800, Savageduck
>>>>>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
>>>>>> said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2009-11-14 02:30:45 -0800, "Wilba" <usenet(a)CUTTHISimago.com.au>
>>>>>>> said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Savageduck wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Wilba said:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Years ago I read that left-hand drive is safer overall, because
>>>>>>>>>> when a
>>>>>>>>>> person is startled they tend to raise their non-dominant hand to
>>>>>>>>>> protect
>>>>>>>>>> their head. If at the time they are steering a car on the left of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> road,
>>>>>>>>>> 9 out of 10 will therefore sverve into oncoming traffic.
>>>>>>>>>> Apparently the
>>>>>>>>>> effect is statistically significant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It seems we left our history far behind. Have you ever noticed
>>>>>>>>> where the
>>>>>>>>> good old Wells Fargo stage coach driver sat, ...on the right,
>>>>>>>>> shotgun on
>>>>>>>>> the left.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't see many of them 'round these here parts. :- )
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note the driver on the left.
>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Concord_stagecoach_1869.pn>>
>>>>> g
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, that was the right, the shot gun was on the left.
>>>>>> Now I don't know my left from my right!
>>>>> The negative was flopped...?
>>>>
>>>> Aah! The Billy The Kid, left hand gun paradox.
>>>
>>> Yep. To this day, many (probably most) people still believe that Henry
>>> "Billy the Kid" McCarty was left-handed. One of the movies about him,
>>> "The Left Handed Gun," has surely contributed to that falsehood.
>>>
>>>
>> Maybe they printed some of his earlier photos backwards.....:^)
>
> I think that one photo of Billy the Kid reversed from left to right is the
> only photo known to exist of him.
>
> But I don't think it was *printed* backwards. In the days of the
> daguerreotype, tintype and maybe some other processes, there was no
> separate print and negative. The image was fixed on the metal plate itself
> and that was the finished picture. Since of course it was on the *front*
> of the plate, it was reversed from left to right. Presumably the customer
> didn't mind -- it looked just the way he saw himself in a mirror.
>
> So when they copied the old Billy the Kid plate for publication by more
> modern methods, they copied it correctly but the picture itself was
> reversed. They *should* have flipped the negative when making the print,
> but apparently just never thought to do so.
>
So, "The Kid" goes down in history as a southpaw.......:^)

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> "Wilba" <usenet(a)CUTTHISimago.com.au> wrote in message
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>> Neil Harrington wrote:
>>> Wilba wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Years ago I read that left-hand drive is safer overall, because when a
>>>> person is startled they tend to raise their non-dominant hand to
>>>> protect their head.
>>>
>>> I question that. In the only near-head-on accident I ever had in my
>>> life, I instinctively threw up my right hand (the dominant one) just
>>> before impact. Broke my right wrist on the windshield.
>>
>> I have more faith in a statistical analysis of scientific data than in a
>> single anecdote. :- )
>
> I would too if it really were a statistical analysis of scientific data.
> Without having seen such analysis I'm inclined to doubt it. Ask a hundred
> people to pick something up from the table, and see which hand they use.
> I'll bet 128,000 zorkmids most of 'em use the dominant hand, unless they
> have a beer in it. ;-)
>
Yes, and I'll bet that 90% or more of the, "statistics" you hear on TV
haven't been developed with anything like scientific methods.....I know this
from the fact that 90% of them have changed/reversed over the years. I now
eat exactly the opposite of what I was told to eat as a tad for my good
health, and half of that will be changed in the next few years......You can
usually tell by asking yourself, "How do they know that?" If you can't
figure out any way they could know, then you should assume that they can't
know, and the conclusions they draw are bogus.....

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> "Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens(a)sum.co.nz> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:03:47 -0500, "Neil Harrington"
>> <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>>
>>>> It seems we left our history far behind. Have you ever noticed where
>>>> the
>>>> good old Wells Fargo stage coach driver sat, ...on the right, shotgun
>>>> on
>>>> the left.
>>>
>>>Apparently that was the standard arrangement for all horse and buggy
>>>drivers
>>>too. (Going by the movies, anyway.)
>>>
>>>And it's still the standard position for whoever's steering a power boat.
>>>
>>>At least some of the earliest American automobiles had right-hand drive
>>>also. Now I'm wondering where and why left-hand drive got started.
>>>Perhaps
>>>it was because the gearshift was centrally located, and it's more natural
>>>to
>>>work that with the dominant hand, which for 90% of people is the right
>>>one.
>>>
>>
>> Blame Napoleon. He laid down the law for France and at the beginning
>> of the 20th century France dominated the automobile industry.
>
> But sans Napoleon.
>
Hummmm.....I wonder if France had stagecoaches before their automobiles, and
if so, were they operated from the left or right sides?