From: Savageduck on
On 2009-11-16 01:00:35 -0800, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens(a)sum.co.nz> said:

> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:25:50 -0800, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote in message
>> news:DOydnQgIzaeZCmLXnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>
>>> "Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens(a)sum.co.nz> wrote in message
>>> news:t28uf5hjm52ous6p5d4sren7rv8k86agfo(a)4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:03:47 -0500, "Neil Harrington"
>>>> <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:2009111401130782327-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems we left our history far behind. Have you ever noticed where
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> good old Wells Fargo stage coach driver sat, ...on the right, shotgun
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> the left.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently that was the standard arrangement for all horse and buggy
>>>>> drivers
>>>>> too. (Going by the movies, anyway.)
>>>>>
>>>>> And it's still the standard position for whoever's steering a power boat.
>>>>>
>>>>> At least some of the earliest American automobiles had right-hand drive
>>>>> also. Now I'm wondering where and why left-hand drive got started.
>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>> it was because the gearshift was centrally located, and it's more natural
>>>>> to
>>>>> work that with the dominant hand, which for 90% of people is the right
>>>>> one.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Blame Napoleon. He laid down the law for France and at the beginning
>>>> of the 20th century France dominated the automobile industry.
>>>
>>> But sans Napoleon.
>>>
>> Hummmm.....I wonder if France had stagecoaches before their automobiles, and
>> if so, were they operated from the left or right sides?
>
> Where ever they were operated from, ever since Napoleon they drove on
> the right.

Cite. You authority is in as much doubt as ours.


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Savageduck

From: Neil Harrington on

"Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> Good guns always commanded high prices, as they do today.
>> I know, my Kimber set me back $1200.
>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/G-Kimber-CDP-LAc.jpg
>>
>>
> Nice looking autoloader....Is it 9 mm?

I'll bet his answer is something close to "BITE YOUR TONGUE!!" :-)


From: Neil Harrington on

"Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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>> On 2009-11-15 17:24:37 -0800, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> said:
>>
>>>
>>> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> Good guns always commanded high prices, as they do today.
>>>> I know, my Kimber set me back $1200.
>>>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/G-Kimber-CDP-LAc.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Nice looking autoloader....Is it 9 mm?
>>
>>
>>
>> That sir is a good old 1911 design 45 ACP! Not some pissy 9mm.
>>
>> 9mm indeed?? !!!!
>>
>> For doublestack I have a Glock Model 23 in 40 S&W.
>>
>> --
> Well! - Sorrrrrry. I used to have a colt auto chambered in 9 mm. It was
> the most reliable auto I ever had.

You can't beat the good old 9mm, but you'll never convince .45 fanciers of
that. They all have an abiding faith in those pumpkin rollers and are
impervious to reason. ;-)

I've owned a lot of .45s myself, but all my automatics now (apart from
rimfires of course) are either 9mm or 9mm short, and my revolvers are all
..38/.357. It's just the ideal bore size. If God owned a handgun it would be
in some 9mm/.38 caliber.

> Generally, I preferred to carry revolvers, because I needed to know they
> were going to go off if I ever had to fire them. Also, I wanted to walk
> away with my empties still in the chamber and not lying someplace on the
> ground.

Yes, there are some obvious advantages to that. However, as far as
reliability goes revolvers can have their problems too. I have a nice little
S&W .38 hammerless on a light alloy frame, lovely thing to carry, almost
brand new but it needs to see a gunsmith because it's stopped shooting --
something inside is cramped or binding. And I once had a brand-new Colt
Agent that wouldn't work either. (Fortunately I'm only about 15 miles from
the Colt factory, but it would've been bad luck if I'd just loaded that
thing, put it away and some day had to use it in a hurry.)


From: Chris H on
In message <c-CdnXIhyIZ0ypzWnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Neil
Harrington <secret(a)illumnati.net> writes
>
>"Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message
>news:vhLdubL4YBALFAxO(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>> In message <1e00g51800npsuco24380ml1u76jrfa7lf(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper
>> <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> writes
>>>On 15 Nov 2009 06:48:13 GMT, rfischer(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>
>>>>tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:03:59 -0000, "R. Mark Clayton"
>>>>><nospamclayton(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>US units are a shambolic mess, inconsistent with each other and almost
>>>>>>completely irrational for dealing with the real world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>And yet we manage.
>>>>
>>>>Only just.
>>>>
>>>>>The world that each of us lives in is the "real world". We, who live
>>>>>in the US, have no problem dealing with our system.
>>>>
>>>>"No problem"?? How many yards in a mile? How many feet in a quarter
>>>>mile? How many teaspoons in a cup? If you don't know those offhand
>>>>then you obviously have problems dealing with the system.
>>>
>>>If you have a legitimate example of how we have a problem with the
>>>system, then state it.
>>
>> Interfacing with the rest of the world.
>
>What specifically is the problem?

The US will have to use the International systems when talking to the
rest of the world. This means doing lots of conversions, holding dual
stock etc

For example the whole world uses ISO A4 and the US uses US letter.... so
when the US want to communicate with the rest of the world it has to use
A4 and for internal use uses Letter.

Dates are another problem the whole world bar the USA uses DD/MM/YY and
the US uses MM/DD/YY it causes problems.

It is no conscience to Americans who only interact with other Americans
but as soon as Americans have to interact externally it will cause
Americans problems, time and money.

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From: Chris H on
In message <2009111605502095335-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> writes
>On 2009-11-16 01:00:35 -0800, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens(a)sum.co.nz> said:
>
>> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:25:50 -0800, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote in message
>>> news:DOydnQgIzaeZCmLXnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>> "Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens(a)sum.co.nz> wrote in message
>>>> news:t28uf5hjm52ous6p5d4sren7rv8k86agfo(a)4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:03:47 -0500, "Neil Harrington"
>>>>> <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote:
>>>>> Blame Napoleon. He laid down the law for France and at the
>>>>>beginning
>>>>> of the 20th century France dominated the automobile industry.
>>>> But sans Napoleon.
>>>>
>>> Hummmm.....I wonder if France had stagecoaches before their
>>>automobiles, and
>>> if so, were they operated from the left or right sides?
>> Where ever they were operated from, ever since Napoleon they drove
>>on
>> the right.
>
>Cite. You authority is in as much doubt as ours.

I would be interested too... though it sounds plausible. Napoleon was
into Standards and making France the Centre Of The World.

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