From: Tzortzakakis Dimitrios on

? "Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> ?????? ??? ??????
news:gX++zyMutWALFAiV(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
> In message <gZGdnYq9CITE_5zWnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Neil
> Harrington <secret(a)illumnati.net> writes
>>
>>"Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message
>>news:UWxjDpHSvVALFAUi(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>>> In message <c-CdnXIhyIZ0ypzWnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Neil
>>> Harrington <secret(a)illumnati.net> writes
>>>>
>>>>"Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message
>>>>news:vhLdubL4YBALFAxO(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>>>>> In message <1e00g51800npsuco24380ml1u76jrfa7lf(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper
>>>>> <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> writes
>>>>>>On 15 Nov 2009 06:48:13 GMT, rfischer(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:03:59 -0000, "R. Mark Clayton"
>>>>>>>><nospamclayton(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>US units are a shambolic mess, inconsistent with each other and
>>>>>>>>>almost
>>>>>>>>>completely irrational for dealing with the real world.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And yet we manage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Only just.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The world that each of us lives in is the "real world". We, who
>>>>>>>>live
>>>>>>>>in the US, have no problem dealing with our system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"No problem"?? How many yards in a mile? How many feet in a quarter
>>>>>>>mile? How many teaspoons in a cup? If you don't know those offhand
>>>>>>>then you obviously have problems dealing with the system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you have a legitimate example of how we have a problem with the
>>>>>>system, then state it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Interfacing with the rest of the world.
>>>>
>>>>What specifically is the problem?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_System_of_Units
>
>>>
>>> For example the whole world uses ISO A4 and the US uses US letter.... so
>>> when the US want to communicate with the rest of the world it has to use
>>> A4 and for internal use uses Letter.
>>
>>Why? I have sent letters to European companies using our letter size and
>>received replies from them, probably on their A4 size (they're close
>>enough
>>that I never noticed any difference). Where's the problem?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_size
>
> http://betweenborders.com/wordsmithing/a4-vs-us-letter/
>
> For a lot of Official use it has to be on A sizes. Also Letter size
> advertising does not fit standard size literature racks. It is getting
> better as more of the US uses International standards.
>
>>> Dates are another problem the whole world bar the USA uses DD/MM/YY and
>>> the US uses MM/DD/YY it causes problems.
>>
>>Again, not a problem. If I write "November 16" and you write "16
>>November,"
>>do either of us misunderstand the other? Besides, your statement is not
>>quite correct.
>
> True but if I write 9/11/2001 when is it? November or September? Well
> everywhere except the US it is November. Though obviously "9/11" has a
> life of it's own.
>
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601
>
>> MM/DD/YY is our standard civilian form, but our military has
>>used DD/MM/YY for many years.
>
> It had to as the US military needed to talk to people other than US
> civilians. As I said it is only a problem where the US wants to talk to
> the rest of the world. If having the worlds largest army does not help
> then eventually you will have to change.... BTW that is why the US now
> uses 9mm rather than .45 and NATO uses 556 rather than 7.62
>
We used .45 browning pistols, the BMG .50 cartridge (API) and the standard
7.62 (.30) NATO caliber. 5.56 is a smaller calliber (I think .20) which is
supposed to be more humane to the target, thus the person being shot. That
was the greek mechanized infantry. Of course, all the fluids are measured in
liters, the tank (G 127 "Leonidas" armored fighting vehicle) has 2 tanks
with each 181 liters of diesel which give it an endurance of 520 km.


>> That causes no problems here either. My
>>sister, an ex-Navy employee retired for several years, still writes dates
>>that way.
>
> There is a joke about that.
>
> Small split military /civil airfield in the US...
>
> Unidentified aircraft: Tower, Time check please!
> Tower: Civil or Military?
> Unidentified aircraft: What difference does it make?
> Tower: If you are Army it is 15:00 if you are Civil it is 3 O'clock.
> Unidentified aircraft: We are Marines.
> Tower: It's Mid Afternoon!
> :-)))
>
>
>>And don't the Japanese still use YY/MM/DD? That is really the most logical
>>system of all, since it automatically sorts dates correctly which neither
>>our methods nor yours do. If we're going to change at all, we should
>>change
>>to the Japanese system.
> Not at all That is the ISO system
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_format#Date_format
>
> There is bug endian (year first) and smal end (day first) but in either
> case it is D M Y or Y M D in various forms. But always in unit
> progression.
>
>
>>> It is no conscience to Americans who only interact with other Americans
>>> but as soon as Americans have to interact externally it will cause
>>> Americans problems, time and money.
>>
>>It never has so far, that I know of. You are straining mightily to produce
>>an argument for an insupportable position.
>
> It is the reason why until very recently no one knew what had happened
> to Glen Miller.
>
> The whilst the US continues to work to different standards to the rest
> of the world there will be problems where conversions and interfaces
> occur. It cost Glenn Miller his life.
>

--
Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
major in electrical engineering
mechanized infantry reservist
hordad AT otenet DOT gr


From: J�rgen Exner on
Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote:
>True but if I write 9/11/2001 when is it? November or September? Well
>everywhere except the US it is November. Though obviously "9/11" has a
>life of it's own.

Right, that's why it's called the German Day of Destiny:
1918: proclamation of the republic
1923: Bierhall Putsch in Munich
1938: progrom night
1967: Student revolte
1989: fall of the Berlin Wall

jue
From: Walter Banks on


Chris H wrote:

> > That causes no problems here either. My
> >sister, an ex-Navy employee retired for several years, still writes dates
> >that way.
>
> There is a joke about that.
>
> Small split military /civil airfield in the US...
>
> Unidentified aircraft: Tower, Time check please!
> Tower: Civil or Military?
> Unidentified aircraft: What difference does it make?
> Tower: If you are Army it is 15:00 if you are Civil it is 3 O'clock.
> Unidentified aircraft: We are Marines.
> Tower: It's Mid Afternoon!
> :-)))

This has been around for a long time. The variation when I flew
in the arctic was

NewfieAirlines The big hand is at the 12 the little hand is at
the 3. (Sorry bowser)

w..



From: Chris H on
In message <eqt2g55k811l4drju7h14pbm4hf1apt65b(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper
<tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> writes
>
>>
>>If you want to send a paper to a conference, to a standards organisation
>>etc or an official document to a Government etc then Yes it will have
>>to go on A4 paper.
>
>Why would that be a problem for us? Anyone in the position of sending
>things to an international conference or standards organization would
>be able to format their word processing to A4 and slip A4 paper in
>their printer.

The point is you need two paper sizes

> I doubt, though, that another government entity would
>refuse a paper on US letter stock. Our government would not refuse a
>letter from your government because the paper size was not the same as
>ours.

Strangely in diplomatic circles these things matter. I too though it
would not make any difference but apparently it does.

>Do you seriously think that we would scrap billions of dollars worth
>of filing cabinets, file folders, and paper stock because twits like
>you have their knickers in a twist because we don't march to your
>drummer?

By "your drummer" You mean the US is out of step with the whole world?
As you point out the US has a problem of all the filing cabinets,
folders, shelves etc, just as every other country had. You can still
get the UK Foolscape size filling cabinets. Many still use them as the
are just a bit larger than the A4 ones and are a bit more useful.

The paper stock is not a problem. It will get used up fast enough.
These things don't happen over night

>By the way, was Gordon Brown's "hastily scrawled note", spelling the
>name incorrectly, to Jamie's mother on the proper paper?

Yes. It was not US letter or A4.

>We don't refuse your sales literature because it doesn't fit our
>racks. Although, that's not really a salient point because their
>aren't that many UK-made products that we're interested in buying.

You would be surprised. There are a lot. BTW last Time I looked Smith
and Wesson was UK owned!!! Actually to be fair it is the Chinese who own
most of the US followed by the Arabs, Canadians and Mexicans....


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From: Chris H on
In message <1vu2g55gp5a8mik6pb0drmvkintbjti7ae(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper
<tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> writes
>On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:29:38 +0000, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org>
>wrote:
>
>>In message <cnq2g5tp8hnehc3iu4i36m5p4i932deuse(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper
>><tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> writes
>>>On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:21:54 +0000, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>SO a revolver jam is usually fatal. This is why autos have a reputation
>>>>for jamming, people cleared them and lived to tell the tail.
>>>
>>>So they had a brush with death?
>>>
>>>(I'm sure that pun is over your head, so I'll explain that a fox's
>>>tail is called a "brush".)
>>
>>I used to live in Gloucestershire.
>
>They didn't teach you about homonyms, and when to use "tale" and when
>to use "tail", there?

It was a shaggy dog story....

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