From: Gary Theilsen on
On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:38:41 -0500, "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net>
wrote:

>
>
>If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my lungs
>with your second hand smoke.

You need to watch Penn & Teller's cable show called "Bullshit!", the
episode where they cover this issue. Are you aware that not even ONE person
has ever died from second-hand smoke? All of this started by one biased and
badly done research paper that was later dismissed in court as lacking any
factual evidence at all. Penn & Teller are not even smokers, drug-users,
nor drinkers, but they will try to uncover and defend the truth whenever
possible as much as possible. They are taking up where Houdini left off in
exposing frauds and charlatans that use trickery to manipulate and exploit
a gullible audience. They know all about how that works (on an
entertainment stage for entertainment purposes only) so they are now using
that knowledge to expose those that use trickery and manipulation tactics
for ill-gotten gains. Like the smoke banning issue. Do you know how much
money is being had by the drug-companies in advertising their "stop
smoking" drugs, some of the "side effects" from their drugs so terrible
that they kill, or permanently damage people worse than cigarettes ever
could.

Go educate yourself instead of parroting all other control-freaks' paranoid
nonsense and stupidity.

From: Bill Graham on

"David J. Littleboy" <davidjl(a)gol.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>> On 2010-01-01 16:12:08 -0800, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> said:
>>>>
>>>> If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my
>>>> lungs with your second hand smoke.
>>>
>>> Who said anything about your lungs? I would have to pay $10 a pack
>>> whether your lungs were screwed up or not, so that has nothing to do
>>> with the liberals using the tax laws to control the morality of the
>>> people, does it?
>>
>> Smoke if you care to, but do it where those who have chosen not to smoke
>> are safe from your addiction and its resulting fallout. As far as $10 a
>> pack goes, I could care less if it were $20.
>
> It's not morality, it's making the idiots who smoke pay for the damage
> they cause. The medical care for smokers for diseases that wouldn't have
> occurred otherwise is incredibly expensive, and everyone else in the
> insurance pool has to pay for it. So $20 a pack is still way too low.
>
> --
> David J. Littleboy
> Tokyo, Japan
>
I these, "diseases" you speak of affect me, then you are right, but then
cigs should be outlawed altogether. If they only affect the ones who smoke,
then I could care less, and no laws should be made against them, and
certainly they shouldn't be taxed.....How do you think I feel, knowing that
My Government is making money off of the sale of drugs to poor people who
have become hooked on nicotine? This forces me, as a taxpayer, into an
immoral position as a drug dealer! Can you justify being a drug dealer and
making scads of money off of the sale of drugs, by saying that, "Well, the
more money I make the more people will try to quit, so I am really trying to
help society by eliminating all the druggies from it.....I am helping them
starve to death!"

From: Peter on
"Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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>

>
> You know, there is another reason than money why I am opposed to the Obama
> health plan....there is a philosophical difference between people paying
> for their own health care and letting the government (taxpayers) pay for
> it. If you are paying your own way, then your lifestyle will (and should)
> affect your premiums, and the insurance companies will charge you more for
> endangering your life and health.But when the government just insures
> everyone automatically, then there is no individual responsibility, and
> people will drive, eat, drink, and live generally like there's no
> tomorrow. Good health care is expensive, and that's the way it ought to
> be. By costing you money, it insures that you will fully realize the cost
> of not taking good care of yourself. It's the same old
> argument....Socialism takes away individual responsibility, and this also
> takes away your freedom to do what you want to do, and pay your own way. I
> have to pay $1450 a month for three people, and this is one of the reasons
> why I no longer ride a motorcycle, and no longer smoke tobacco. I didn't
> need any laws to convince me of this.....It was my own choice.

Your statement has nothing to do with the reality of insurance. At the
present time there is no firm "Obama health plan." However, the gut of the
Senate plan is that insurance companies will be prohibited from denying
coverage based upon pre=existing conditions. Don't confuse life with health.
e.g. There may be an exclusion from coverage for scuba or stunt driving
accidents on a life policy. On a health policy, they don't do it,unless you
get into the catastrophic coverage area.




--
Peter

From: Bill Graham on

"Gary Theilsen" <nocontact(a)spamfree.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:38:41 -0500, "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my lungs
>>with your second hand smoke.
>
> You need to watch Penn & Teller's cable show called "Bullshit!", the
> episode where they cover this issue. Are you aware that not even ONE
> person
> has ever died from second-hand smoke? All of this started by one biased
> and
> badly done research paper that was later dismissed in court as lacking any
> factual evidence at all. Penn & Teller are not even smokers, drug-users,
> nor drinkers, but they will try to uncover and defend the truth whenever
> possible as much as possible. They are taking up where Houdini left off in
> exposing frauds and charlatans that use trickery to manipulate and exploit
> a gullible audience. They know all about how that works (on an
> entertainment stage for entertainment purposes only) so they are now using
> that knowledge to expose those that use trickery and manipulation tactics
> for ill-gotten gains. Like the smoke banning issue. Do you know how much
> money is being had by the drug-companies in advertising their "stop
> smoking" drugs, some of the "side effects" from their drugs so terrible
> that they kill, or permanently damage people worse than cigarettes ever
> could.
>
> Go educate yourself instead of parroting all other control-freaks'
> paranoid
> nonsense and stupidity.
>
I suspected this years ago when the Telly told me that, "50 thousand people
die every year from second hand smoke." I immediatley asked, "How would they
know?" There is no way they could calculate a statistic like this. I would
sit on my front porch and see a bus go by, spewing diesel fumes into the
air, and wonder how many people die every year from diesel fumes.....:^)

From: Savageduck on
On 2010-01-01 17:17:30 -0800, Gary Theilsen <nocontact(a)spamfree.com> said:

> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:38:41 -0500, "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my lungs
>> with your second hand smoke.
>
> You need to watch Penn & Teller's cable show called "Bullshit!", the
> episode where they cover this issue. Are you aware that not even ONE person
> has ever died from second-hand smoke? All of this started by one biased and
> badly done research paper that was later dismissed in court as lacking any
> factual evidence at all. Penn & Teller are not even smokers, drug-users,
> nor drinkers, but they will try to uncover and defend the truth whenever
> possible as much as possible. They are taking up where Houdini left off in
> exposing frauds and charlatans that use trickery to manipulate and exploit
> a gullible audience. They know all about how that works (on an
> entertainment stage for entertainment purposes only) so they are now using
> that knowledge to expose those that use trickery and manipulation tactics
> for ill-gotten gains. Like the smoke banning issue. Do you know how much
> money is being had by the drug-companies in advertising their "stop
> smoking" drugs, some of the "side effects" from their drugs so terrible
> that they kill, or permanently damage people worse than cigarettes ever
> could.
>
> Go educate yourself instead of parroting all other control-freaks' paranoid
> nonsense and stupidity.

So, second hand smoke isn't going to kill me. I'll buy that.

Now tell me how second hand smoke isn't going to make me choke & cough,
my eyes water, my clothes stink, and any other unpleasantness
non-smokers would have to endure so those addicted to a corporate drug
can indulge themselves.

--
Regards,

Savageduck