From: David J. Littleboy on

"Gary Theilsen" <nocontact(a)spamfree.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:38:41 -0500, "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net>
> wrote:
>>
>>If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my lungs
>>with your second hand smoke.
>
> You need to watch Penn & Teller's cable show called "Bullshit!", the
> episode where they cover this issue. Are you aware that not even ONE
> person
> has ever died from second-hand smoke?

That's simply quite wrong. The amount of excess morbidity and mortality due
to second hand smoke is small, but definately not zero. The worst victims
are spouses and children of smokers. (I think that the problem of paying for
the medical care of smokers is serious enough that second hand smoke issue
isn't worth worrying about, though.)

It's a well documented problem. You could read about it and learn if you
wanted instead of taking an entertainment show at face value.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/secondhandsmoke.html

--
David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan


From: Ray Fischer on
Gary Theilsen <nocontact(a)spamfree.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:38:41 -0500, "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my lungs
>>with your second hand smoke.
>
>You need to watch Penn & Teller's cable show called "Bullshit!", the
>episode where they cover this issue. Are you aware that not even ONE person
>has ever died from second-hand smoke?

Smirk. That sound a lot like the claims of robacco companies who
insist that there's no evidence proving that tobacco causes cancer.
Or the classic "guns don't kill people ...".

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer(a)sonic.net

From: Bill Graham on

"Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
news:4b3ea0c5$0$12828$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com...
> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:xZydneWphIfKC6PWnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>
>
>>
>> You know, there is another reason than money why I am opposed to the
>> Obama health plan....there is a philosophical difference between people
>> paying for their own health care and letting the government (taxpayers)
>> pay for it. If you are paying your own way, then your lifestyle will (and
>> should) affect your premiums, and the insurance companies will charge you
>> more for endangering your life and health.But when the government just
>> insures everyone automatically, then there is no individual
>> responsibility, and people will drive, eat, drink, and live generally
>> like there's no tomorrow. Good health care is expensive, and that's the
>> way it ought to be. By costing you money, it insures that you will fully
>> realize the cost of not taking good care of yourself. It's the same old
>> argument....Socialism takes away individual responsibility, and this also
>> takes away your freedom to do what you want to do, and pay your own way.
>> I have to pay $1450 a month for three people, and this is one of the
>> reasons why I no longer ride a motorcycle, and no longer smoke tobacco. I
>> didn't need any laws to convince me of this.....It was my own choice.
>
> Your statement has nothing to do with the reality of insurance. At the
> present time there is no firm "Obama health plan." However, the gut of the
> Senate plan is that insurance companies will be prohibited from denying
> coverage based upon pre=existing conditions. Don't confuse life with
> health. e.g. There may be an exclusion from coverage for scuba or stunt
> driving accidents on a life policy. On a health policy, they don't do
> it,unless you get into the catastrophic coverage area.
>
>
> Peter

weg9 says: And so what would prevent me from living like there's no
tomorrow for N years, and then, when I am getting old and sick, just
applying for the government's health plan where some poor insurance company
is forced to insure me, and then going into the hospital for some serious
late stage health care? Look.....It's very simple. I have been living and
working in this country ever since I was 18 years old. I have always
maintained a full coverage health plan, and devoted a part of my income to
this end. Now, after working for over 40 years, I am retired, and still
paying into an excellent health plan, and my government wants to tax the
hell out of me so that they can insure everybody's health. These are the
people who, when I was paying for my health care and driving a VW bug, were
driving Porsches and not paying anything for health care at all, and now,
Obama wants me to vote for his health care plan......In your dreams, buddy!!
I do not, (repeat) DO NOT believe in distribution of wealth. I believe in
letting those people who make money pay for whatever they want to pay for
with the money they make, and if Obama wants them to have health care, then
let him take their money away from them and buy their health care with it,
but leave my money alone!!

From: Ray Fischer on
Bill Graham <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>weg9 says: And so what would prevent me from living like there's no
>tomorrow for N years, and then, when I am getting old and sick, just
>applying for the government's health plan where some poor insurance company
>is forced to insure me, and then going into the hospital for some serious
>late stage health care? Look.....It's very simple. I have been living and
>working in this country ever since I was 18 years old. I have always
>maintained a full coverage health plan,

Graham has already stated that he enjoys considerable benefits from
Medicare. That means that he does NOT maintain a full coverage health
plan. He uses the government's health care plan.

> and devoted a part of my income to
>this end. Now, after working for over 40 years, I am retired, and still
>paying into an excellent health plan,

Which is only a small supplement to your government-run health plan.

> and my government wants to tax the
>hell out of me so that they can insure everybody's health.

The rightard makes up a fiction to whine about.

> These are the
>people who, when I was paying for my health care and driving a VW bug, were

Ad hominem.
>I do not, (repeat) DO NOT believe in distribution of wealth.

You prefer to keep it all for yourself.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer(a)sonic.net

From: Bill Graham on

"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
news:2010010117333643658-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom...
> On 2010-01-01 17:17:30 -0800, Gary Theilsen <nocontact(a)spamfree.com> said:
>
>> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:38:41 -0500, "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my lungs
>>> with your second hand smoke.
>>
>> You need to watch Penn & Teller's cable show called "Bullshit!", the
>> episode where they cover this issue. Are you aware that not even ONE
>> person
>> has ever died from second-hand smoke? All of this started by one biased
>> and
>> badly done research paper that was later dismissed in court as lacking
>> any
>> factual evidence at all. Penn & Teller are not even smokers, drug-users,
>> nor drinkers, but they will try to uncover and defend the truth whenever
>> possible as much as possible. They are taking up where Houdini left off
>> in
>> exposing frauds and charlatans that use trickery to manipulate and
>> exploit
>> a gullible audience. They know all about how that works (on an
>> entertainment stage for entertainment purposes only) so they are now
>> using
>> that knowledge to expose those that use trickery and manipulation tactics
>> for ill-gotten gains. Like the smoke banning issue. Do you know how much
>> money is being had by the drug-companies in advertising their "stop
>> smoking" drugs, some of the "side effects" from their drugs so terrible
>> that they kill, or permanently damage people worse than cigarettes ever
>> could.
>>
>> Go educate yourself instead of parroting all other control-freaks'
>> paranoid
>> nonsense and stupidity.
>
> So, second hand smoke isn't going to kill me. I'll buy that.
>
> Now tell me how second hand smoke isn't going to make me choke & cough, my
> eyes water, my clothes stink, and any other unpleasantness non-smokers
> would have to endure so those addicted to a corporate drug can indulge
> themselves.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Savageduck
>

weg9 says: If you really believe its a drug, then why are you happy
letting your government deal in it? Either make a law against it, or believe
what I believe.....That everyone should be allowed access to any drug they
want anytime they want it. (Including prescription drugs)