From: RichA on
On Dec 28, 12:01 pm, Fr...(a)Zappa.com wrote:
> I post saying something about Islam,
> it does not match up w/ what Wiki says,so...
> I am a hate-filled bigot!

Many people posting on wikipedia are agenda-driven, not fact-driven.
Like the global warming kooks who keep frantically re-writing entries
dealing with climate change. Propagandists for sinister groups.
Until that site gets some kind of oversight, it will continue to be a
bit of a joke in some instances.
From: Ray Fischer on
<bob(a)myhouse.com> wrote:
> Neil Ellwood <cral.elllwood(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>> <Frank(a)Zappa.com> wrote:
>>>>I post saying something about Islam,
>>>
>>> Something which happens to be an evil lie.
>>>
>>>>it does not match up w/ what Wiki says,so... I am a hate-filled bigot!
>>>
>>> bigot: a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed,
>>> belief, or opinion.
>>
>>Almost right - ' bigot - a person who agrees that every opinion is
>>correct, providing it is his own'.
>
>Other people's opinions are fine by me - I am actually quite tolerant
>of differing creeds, beliefs and opnions.

Which, as you show just below, is a complete lie.

>I am not tolerant of a belief system called "Islam".
>It has shown itself not to be worthy of my tolerating it.

That makes you a bigot.

>I think much in life is to be tolerated - but not Islam.

"I think much in life is to be tolerated - but not [Judaism]."

>What is so wrong about that?

Nothing at all if you're a Nazi.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer(a)sonic.net

From: Ray Fischer on
RichA <rander3127(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>On Dec 28, 12:01�pm, Fr...(a)Zappa.com wrote:
>> I post saying something about Islam,
>> it does not match up w/ what Wiki says,so...
>> I am a hate-filled bigot!
>
>Many people posting on wikipedia are agenda-driven, not fact-driven.

ad hominem:
The person presenting an argument is attacked instead of the
argument itself. This takes many forms. For example, the person's
character, nationality or religion may be attacked. Alternatively,
it may be pointed out that a person stands to gain from a
favourable outcome. Or, finally, a person may be attacked by
association, or by the company he keeps.
There are three major forms of Attacking the Person:

ad hominem (abusive): instead of attacking an assertion, the
argument attacks the person who made the assertion.
ad hominem (circumstantial): instead of attacking an assertion the
author points to the relationship between the person making the
assertion and the person's circumstances.
ad hominem (tu quoque): this form of attack on the person notes
that a person does not practise what he
preaches.

>Like the global warming kooks who keep frantically re-writing entries

Kook.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer(a)sonic.net

From: George Kerby on



On 12/28/09 5:22 PM, in article t9fij55c75h9rug79ef5jemcmds5lkmq5p(a)4ax.com,
"John A." <john(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:03:27 -0800, bob(a)myhouse.com wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:01:28 -0600, Neil Ellwood
>> <cral.elllwood(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:32:18 +0000, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>
>>>> <Frank(a)Zappa.com> wrote:
>>>>> I post saying something about Islam,
>>>>
>>>> Something which happens to be an evil lie.
>>>>
>>>>> it does not match up w/ what Wiki says,so... I am a hate-filled bigot!
>>>>
>>>> bigot: a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed,
>>>> belief, or opinion.
>>>
>>> Almost right - ' bigot - a person who agrees that every opinion is
>>> correct, providing it is his own'.
>>
>>
>> Other people's opinions are fine by me - I am actually quite tolerant
>> of differing creeds, beliefs and opnions.
>>
>> I am not tolerant of a belief system called "Islam".
>> It has shown itself not to be worthy of my tolerating it.
>>
>> I think much in life is to be tolerated - but not Islam. What is so wrong
>> about that?
>
> I'm curious: can you name the minimum specific changes that would have
> to occur in Islam for it to become tolerable to you?

Don't know 'bout him, but I like ham sandwiches...

From: NameHere on
On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:01:18 -0800, Frank(a)Zappa.com wrote:

>I post saying something about Islam,
>it does not match up w/ what Wiki says,so...
>I am a hate-filled bigot!
>
>I'm not really, I just know a little more than is on the Wiki entry on Islam.
>That's not hard to do - the page is does not go into great detail.
>
>Anyway, Islam is having an impact on "our" world that will affect our
>ability to freely point our cameras where we wish.
>

They will only have an impact on you if you allow them to manipulate you,
as they are doing now in this very thread. Just like any child in tantrum,
screaming for attention, the best solution is to walk away and ignore they
even exist until they learn more adult methods for getting attention.
Giving all the cultures of the middle-east the attention they want is only
encouraging them all of theme to continue to behave as childishly as they
have for the last 3000 years.

I for one refuse to let them manipulate me into anything in life. I change
the news channel, I killfile those threads. They don't deserve even this
much attention.

You will never be free as long as you allow yourself to be manipulated by
politicians and religious leaders. And those who are manipulated by them.