From: Bill Graham on

"Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
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> "tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:10:39 -0800, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
>>>news:4b43cb90$0$19462$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com...
>
>>>>>> I see no further point in continuing this. It's sad that you are so
>>>>>> bitter. There must be little joy in your life.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>> There is a lot more joy in my life that there is in the life of that
>>>>> poor
>>>>> bartender whose property rights you insist on taking away. Any lack of
>>>>> joy that either he or I have can be put directly on the shoulders of
>>>>> asses like you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I ended this earlier, but can't resist pointing out that your constant
>>>> name calling clearly shows the shallowness of your argument.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Peter
>>>My argument is only "shallow" to someone who didn't buy himself a bar and
>>>operate it for his own enjoyment until some stupid liberals ruined it for
>>>him.....That's the problem you refuse to address. It's easy for you to
>>>turn
>>>your back on him......It's not your bar. You are not the one who worked
>>>and
>>>slaved for years until he had the money to buy his own place, and then
>>>have
>>>the dumb liberal government take it away from him.
>>
>> The man made the decision to open a bar fully cognizant of the fact
>> that he would be subject to the laws governing the operation of a bar.
>> There are myriad laws determining what he can and cannot do.
>>
>> He can't serve minors. His opening an closing times are restricted by
>> the law. The law determines what type of entertainment he can offer.
>> The law deals with noise levels, food service, and even the type of
>> signs he can use to advertise his business.
>>
>> He was also aware that new laws could be passed that would further
>> restrict him. He assumed the risk. There's no unfairness involved.
>>
>> You claim that "liberals" are at fault here. However, every bar in
>> every city and state in the US is subject to laws that restrict what
>> the owner can and cannot do. If the bar owner wanted to increase
>> business by providing nude dancers as entertainment, it would be the
>> conservatives who would be slamming the lid down on him.
>>
>
> The man is a libertarian, not a conservative. He thrives by calling all
> who disagree with his lack of logic, the equivalent of a stupid liberal.
> I take that statement from him as a badge of honor. Although, in most
> business matters I am considered somewhat conservative.
>
> --
> Peter
His patrons can't smoke inside his bar. But they can go 10 feet outside on
the street and smoke. If you can't see the idiocy in that, then I have every
right to call you a "stupid liberal". You and Cooper both have the same dumb
mindset. If the government does it, then it must be right.

From: Peter on
"Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
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>> "tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:s1m7k5pv6i1fmqh8tcglllo1svv2db1pn3(a)4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:10:39 -0800, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:4b43cb90$0$19462$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com...
>>
>>>>>>> I see no further point in continuing this. It's sad that you are so
>>>>>>> bitter. There must be little joy in your life.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>> There is a lot more joy in my life that there is in the life of that
>>>>>> poor
>>>>>> bartender whose property rights you insist on taking away. Any lack
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> joy that either he or I have can be put directly on the shoulders of
>>>>>> asses like you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I ended this earlier, but can't resist pointing out that your constant
>>>>> name calling clearly shows the shallowness of your argument.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Peter
>>>>My argument is only "shallow" to someone who didn't buy himself a bar
>>>>and
>>>>operate it for his own enjoyment until some stupid liberals ruined it
>>>>for
>>>>him.....That's the problem you refuse to address. It's easy for you to
>>>>turn
>>>>your back on him......It's not your bar. You are not the one who worked
>>>>and
>>>>slaved for years until he had the money to buy his own place, and then
>>>>have
>>>>the dumb liberal government take it away from him.
>>>
>>> The man made the decision to open a bar fully cognizant of the fact
>>> that he would be subject to the laws governing the operation of a bar.
>>> There are myriad laws determining what he can and cannot do.
>>>
>>> He can't serve minors. His opening an closing times are restricted by
>>> the law. The law determines what type of entertainment he can offer.
>>> The law deals with noise levels, food service, and even the type of
>>> signs he can use to advertise his business.
>>>
>>> He was also aware that new laws could be passed that would further
>>> restrict him. He assumed the risk. There's no unfairness involved.
>>>
>>> You claim that "liberals" are at fault here. However, every bar in
>>> every city and state in the US is subject to laws that restrict what
>>> the owner can and cannot do. If the bar owner wanted to increase
>>> business by providing nude dancers as entertainment, it would be the
>>> conservatives who would be slamming the lid down on him.
>>>
>>
>> The man is a libertarian, not a conservative. He thrives by calling all
>> who disagree with his lack of logic, the equivalent of a stupid liberal.
>> I take that statement from him as a badge of honor. Although, in most
>> business matters I am considered somewhat conservative.
>>
>> --
>> Peter
> His patrons can't smoke inside his bar. But they can go 10 feet outside on
> the street and smoke. If you can't see the idiocy in that, then I have
> every right to call you a "stupid liberal". You and Cooper both have the
> same dumb mindset. If the government does it, then it must be right.


Just when did I ever say that?
Don't you ever dare misquote me. Your postings are that of a selfish, self
centered who has no regards for the rights of others. I would never equate
you with a true libertarian. True libertarians have enormous feelings for
the rights of others.
OTOH you refuse to give up one of your perceived rights, to accommodate the
rights of others. What a sad life you must lead. You may have the last word
as I will not reply. There is no need to and quite frankly, you bore me.

--
Peter

From: tony cooper on
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:31:59 -0500, "Peter"
<peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote:

>"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:s1m7k5pv6i1fmqh8tcglllo1svv2db1pn3(a)4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:10:39 -0800, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
>>>news:4b43cb90$0$19462$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com...
>
>>>>>> I see no further point in continuing this. It's sad that you are so
>>>>>> bitter. There must be little joy in your life.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>> There is a lot more joy in my life that there is in the life of that
>>>>> poor
>>>>> bartender whose property rights you insist on taking away. Any lack of
>>>>> joy that either he or I have can be put directly on the shoulders of
>>>>> asses like you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I ended this earlier, but can't resist pointing out that your constant
>>>> name calling clearly shows the shallowness of your argument.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Peter
>>>My argument is only "shallow" to someone who didn't buy himself a bar and
>>>operate it for his own enjoyment until some stupid liberals ruined it for
>>>him.....That's the problem you refuse to address. It's easy for you to
>>>turn
>>>your back on him......It's not your bar. You are not the one who worked
>>>and
>>>slaved for years until he had the money to buy his own place, and then
>>>have
>>>the dumb liberal government take it away from him.
>>
>> The man made the decision to open a bar fully cognizant of the fact
>> that he would be subject to the laws governing the operation of a bar.
>> There are myriad laws determining what he can and cannot do.
>>
>> He can't serve minors. His opening an closing times are restricted by
>> the law. The law determines what type of entertainment he can offer.
>> The law deals with noise levels, food service, and even the type of
>> signs he can use to advertise his business.
>>
>> He was also aware that new laws could be passed that would further
>> restrict him. He assumed the risk. There's no unfairness involved.
>>
>> You claim that "liberals" are at fault here. However, every bar in
>> every city and state in the US is subject to laws that restrict what
>> the owner can and cannot do. If the bar owner wanted to increase
>> business by providing nude dancers as entertainment, it would be the
>> conservatives who would be slamming the lid down on him.
>>
>
>The man is a libertarian, not a conservative. He thrives by calling all who
>disagree with his lack of logic, the equivalent of a stupid liberal.
>I take that statement from him as a badge of honor. Although, in most
>business matters I am considered somewhat conservative.

I don't think he's a libertarian. He's an anti-establishmentarian.
He objects to everything.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: David J. Littleboy on

"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>The man is a libertarian, not a conservative. He thrives by calling all
>>who
>>disagree with his lack of logic, the equivalent of a stupid liberal.
>>I take that statement from him as a badge of honor. Although, in most
>>business matters I am considered somewhat conservative.
>
> I don't think he's a libertarian. He's an anti-establishmentarian.
> He objects to everything.

As someone who listened to Ayn Rand's yearly lectures on the Boston lecture
circuit back in the 60s/70s, and read everything she wrote, I think that
Bill captures the unbridled selfishness of true libertarianism perfectly.
You guys don't understand how horrifically bad libertarianism really is.

--
David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan


From: Peter on
"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:31:59 -0500, "Peter"
> <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>>"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>news:s1m7k5pv6i1fmqh8tcglllo1svv2db1pn3(a)4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:10:39 -0800, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:4b43cb90$0$19462$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com...
>>
>>>>>>> I see no further point in continuing this. It's sad that you are so
>>>>>>> bitter. There must be little joy in your life.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>> There is a lot more joy in my life that there is in the life of that
>>>>>> poor
>>>>>> bartender whose property rights you insist on taking away. Any lack
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> joy that either he or I have can be put directly on the shoulders of
>>>>>> asses like you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I ended this earlier, but can't resist pointing out that your constant
>>>>> name calling clearly shows the shallowness of your argument.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Peter
>>>>My argument is only "shallow" to someone who didn't buy himself a bar
>>>>and
>>>>operate it for his own enjoyment until some stupid liberals ruined it
>>>>for
>>>>him.....That's the problem you refuse to address. It's easy for you to
>>>>turn
>>>>your back on him......It's not your bar. You are not the one who worked
>>>>and
>>>>slaved for years until he had the money to buy his own place, and then
>>>>have
>>>>the dumb liberal government take it away from him.
>>>
>>> The man made the decision to open a bar fully cognizant of the fact
>>> that he would be subject to the laws governing the operation of a bar.
>>> There are myriad laws determining what he can and cannot do.
>>>
>>> He can't serve minors. His opening an closing times are restricted by
>>> the law. The law determines what type of entertainment he can offer.
>>> The law deals with noise levels, food service, and even the type of
>>> signs he can use to advertise his business.
>>>
>>> He was also aware that new laws could be passed that would further
>>> restrict him. He assumed the risk. There's no unfairness involved.
>>>
>>> You claim that "liberals" are at fault here. However, every bar in
>>> every city and state in the US is subject to laws that restrict what
>>> the owner can and cannot do. If the bar owner wanted to increase
>>> business by providing nude dancers as entertainment, it would be the
>>> conservatives who would be slamming the lid down on him.
>>>
>>
>>The man is a libertarian, not a conservative. He thrives by calling all
>>who
>>disagree with his lack of logic, the equivalent of a stupid liberal.
>>I take that statement from him as a badge of honor. Although, in most
>>business matters I am considered somewhat conservative.
>
> I don't think he's a libertarian. He's an anti-establishmentarian.

You are probably right

> He objects to everything.


Unless it benefits him.

--
Peter