From: Alan LeHun on
In article <hqk5t6$mip$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
ntotrr(a)optonline.net says...
> Thanks for making this response. Mr. Lehun's post is so ridiculous that I
> wouldn't even bother responding to it. Your description of my mindset is
> better than I would have made, thanks.
>

Fair enough. I would point out though that my post was not a personal
dig upon yourself, nor a dig at religious people in general. It was
firstly an observation that religion requires or encourages its subjects
to relinquish choice on certain (usually moral) grounds, and secondly,
that society has the same imperatives but from a completely differing
origin.

I am sorry if I offended you.

--
Alan LeHun
From: Peter on
"Alan LeHun" <try(a)reply.to> wrote in message
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> In article <hqk5t6$mip$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
> ntotrr(a)optonline.net says...
>> Thanks for making this response. Mr. Lehun's post is so ridiculous that
>> I
>> wouldn't even bother responding to it. Your description of my mindset is
>> better than I would have made, thanks.
>>
>
> Fair enough. I would point out though that my post was not a personal
> dig upon yourself, nor a dig at religious people in general. It was
> firstly an observation that religion requires or encourages its subjects
> to relinquish choice on certain (usually moral) grounds, and secondly,
> that society has the same imperatives but from a completely differing
> origin.
>
> I am sorry if I offended you.
>


In a prior posting I came to the conclusion that society and religion have
the same, or substantially similar origins. (I did not state that in so many
words, but the intended meaning was there.) In today's world we have
multiple religions in many societies. In our Western society we constantly
struggle to provide room for all, including those who do not believe in any
organized religion. Some societies would like there to be only one religion,
with no room those who do not subscribe to that religion. Some people use
religion and a threat of damnation as an excuse to gain power and wealth for
themselves. Other individuals gain comfort from their religion and find that
it helps them get through life's adversities.


--
Peter

From: Bill Graham on

"David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> [Oh, I JUST can't resist..............! ;-]
>
>> When Bush wanted to actually invest some of the SS income in American
>> business, the uproar against it was deafening......:^) Oh, well there's
>> no accounting for the stupidity of liberals.....
>
> Ummm, that was *before* the recent "vagary" in the stock/bond
> markets, I take it...;-) We would, as collectors of SS, "lost our shirts"
> in such a stupid deal!
> --DR
>
Only if you are very short sighted....the Stock Market has returned around
7% over the years since the turn of the century....When My mother was a
young girl back in the twenties the DJIA was around 100. Today, it is
11,000 - You do the math. I invested in American business all of my life,
and I am doing OK. My dad told me there are only two reasonable things to
invest in. The stock market and real estate. He was (as usual) correct.
There are people I know who invested in Insurance annuities, but it is the
equivalent of putting all your eggs in one basket.....Some of the insurance
companies went out of business the last couple of years. You can invest in
gold or some other commodity, but that doesn't really help American
business......Initial public offerings are what makes the difference between
the market and a gambling casino.

But in any case, nothing is worse than what our government has done with the
Social Security funds.....They spent it! I could have done that,
myself.......:^)

From: Bill Graham on

"David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> "David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:hqcnje$q69$1(a)ruby.cit.cornell.edu...
>>> "Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message
>>> news:WYYDQXF+CbyLFAFZ(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>>>> In message <hqbebm$3vq$2(a)news.albasani.net>, "stephe_k(a)yahoo.com"
>>>> <stephe_k(a)yahoo.com> writes
>
>>>>>I wonder if Neil has noticed NO ONE has backed him up on anything he
>>>>>has said here, yet he still believes 99% of the world thinks like he
>>>>>does...
>
>>>> I have seen people argue this way before: You are ALL wrong! EVERYBODY
>>>> supports me... it is just a quirk of fate that none of them are here.
>>>> Ask in the real world...
>>>>
>>>> Then of course unless you can give an Internet URL that these people
>>>> approve of it is all "liberal bias" and just propaganda.
>>>>
>>>> I have noticed that 99% (:-) of this sort of person also believe that
>>>> the BBC, CNN and the other mainstream media are in a conspiracy and
>>>> ONLY
>>>> Fox news knows the truth.....
>>>> --
>>>> \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
>>>> \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/
>>>> \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
>
>>> I call it "religious nuttery", and that does not necessarily refer to
>>> religion but to a steadfast belief that something is true regardless
>>> of any countering facts or logic presented that any reasonable
>>> person would accept, or at least consider. There is far too much
>>> of this these days, and IT IS REALLY ANNOYING that some
>>> people seem to prize stupidity over the seeking of truth.
>>> --DR
>
>> Is that why I watch all the news services, but you liberals refuse to
>> watch Fox?
>
> Well, if one catches a "news" network in enough deceptions,
> outright lies, and in actually actively supporting a political party
> and a fringe movement enough times, ALL its credibility is lost.
> Some of us consider our time watching material that has been
> proven worthless (or much worse) MANY times as time
> foolishly spent... Or, for the simple, if "A", "B", "C", "D", and
> "E" generally provide reliable news information, but "F"
> demonstrably does not, then one ceases at some point
> wasting time (except for entertainment, perhaps), watching "F".
> --DR
Only if you are a screaming, long-haired liberal who refuses to think for
himself.....I find Fox a refreshing change from the "Obama is Jesus" crowd.
At least Fox calls him out on his many mistakes. Are you aware that his
administration is full of Marxists and fellow travelers from the 60's? Are
you also aware that the democrats are trying to spend your grandchildren's
money much faster than they will ever be able to pay it off? Fox seems to be
the only ones who are concerned about this.....You certainly won't hear
about it by watching Brian Williams and Katie Couric.

From: Bill Graham on

"David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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> [ The usual stuff about "it's My money, dammit, and no one has
> a right to ANY of it" excised...]
>
>> Yesterday I paid $18 for a 10 inch Pizza.....Eighteen F****** Dollars!! I
>> don't know how old you are, but my dad only needed 100 grand for a
>> comfortable retirement.....I needed a million, and my grandchildren will
>> need 10 million.....Doesn't that mean anything to you? How much will you
>> need? and, How are you going to get it?
>
> Gee, I live comfortably on a taxable income of $1700 a year (no, I didn't
> forget a comma and a zero...;-). I don't crave things I don't need, and
> I do prefer that some of "my" money be spent for the public good. BTW,
> I do look around for good pizza, and here the best in town (on sale...)
> is a large (really...), thick one, made to order with "real" ingredients
> and
> not made by one of the pizza chains, and it is $14 and it easily satisfies
> two
> people for two meals each (with nothing else needed or wanted with it...).
> Quit bellyaching about how hard it is to live on what must be a
> considerable
> income with SS plus investment income from a million dollars, with no
> money to spare for those blankitty-blank welfare slackers. Talk about a
> demonstration of what a "Grinch" is - you do seem to define it as yourself
> from your own writings here...
> --DR
>
I don't believe your taxable income is only 1700 a year.....What are you
doing with a computer is you make that little? But that's beside the point.
Just because you saved so little, why do you think that everyone should save
so little. Can't you imagine there are people in this world who aspire to be
better off than you are, and are willing to save more and/or work harder
than you do? Or, like a typical liberal, you think that everyone should live
exactly as you do, and by God, we should make a law that forces them
to.......