From: Savageduck on
On 2010-04-19 09:33:39 -0700, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> said:

>
> "David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hqflub$soh$1(a)ruby.cit.cornell.edu...
>>
>> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:EpSdnde2eMOQ71fWnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>
>> [ The usual stuff about "it's My money, dammit, and no one has
>> a right to ANY of it" excised...]
>>
>>> Yesterday I paid $18 for a 10 inch Pizza.....Eighteen F****** Dollars!!
>>> I don't know how old you are, but my dad only needed 100 grand for a
>>> comfortable retirement.....I needed a million, and my grandchildren
>>> will need 10 million.....Doesn't that mean anything to you? How much
>>> will you need? and, How are you going to get it?
>>
>> Gee, I live comfortably on a taxable income of $1700 a year (no, I didn't
>> forget a comma and a zero...;-). I don't crave things I don't need, and
>> I do prefer that some of "my" money be spent for the public good. BTW,
>> I do look around for good pizza, and here the best in town (on sale...)
>> is a large (really...), thick one, made to order with "real" ingredients and
>> not made by one of the pizza chains, and it is $14 and it easily satisfies two
>> people for two meals each (with nothing else needed or wanted with it...).
>> Quit bellyaching about how hard it is to live on what must be a considerable
>> income with SS plus investment income from a million dollars, with no
>> money to spare for those blankitty-blank welfare slackers. Talk about a
>> demonstration of what a "Grinch" is - you do seem to define it as yourself
>> from your own writings here...
>> --DR
>>
> I don't believe your taxable income is only 1700 a year.....What are
> you doing with a computer is you make that little? But that's beside
> the point. Just because you saved so little, why do you think that
> everyone should save so little. Can't you imagine there are people in
> this world who aspire to be better off than you are, and are willing to
> save more and/or work harder than you do? Or, like a typical liberal,
> you think that everyone should live exactly as you do, and by God, we
> should make a law that forces them to.......

You failed to ask the pertinant question, "What was your non-taxable income?"

I certainly have my pension, which is taxable. (fortunately it is more
generous than $1700) However I also have income from non-taxable
sources. You can do that you know. All it takes is a little planning.
--
Regards,

Savageduck

From: Peter on
"Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> I am saying, and have said several times before, that the people I am
> talking about are not those who are disabled to the extent that they find
> it impossible to work. I never wanted to cut these people off.....As a
> matter of fact, I would like to cut off the other 98% (a good statistic)
> who have all their fingers and toes and mental capabilities and could
> work, but don't, and give this money to those of whom you speak who can't
> work for one reason or another. The people of whom I speak, who could work
> but don't, ate (and have been) subsidized by the state of California all
> of my life...<BS rant snipped>

And the reliable source for your statistics is?

--
Peter

From: Peter on
"Alan LeHun" <try(a)reply.to> wrote in message
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> In article <hqhi98$2se$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
> ntotrr(a)optonline.net says...
>> I am free to use my
>> influence to affect public policy just as you are. Whether I am a
>> religious
>> person or not has no bearing on that.
>>
>>
>
> If you are a religious person, have not effectively signed your
> influence away to the church?
>
> Religion is, after all, simply a means of control.
>
> I agree that certain churches exercise differing amounts of control, and
> some exercise very little, but the point is still valid. A catholic for
> example, could not vote for a candidate standing on a pro abortion
> stance not because they have made up their mind on the issue, but
> because the church has made its mind for them.


I have had the pleasure of knowing Peter S, over the net, for many years. He
is a deeply religious person who has strong and IMO very sincere beliefs.
Although he and I are about 180 degrees apart politically and religiously on
many matters, I have no reason to state that he would be influenced by what
some religious figure states. He makes up his own mind and has not signed
his influence to any church. He may agree with his church, but that doesn't
mean he doesn't think for himself.



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Peter

From: Peter on
"Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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>

> Hey! Show me these, "Most" of whom you speak.....I lived and worked in
> California for over 40 years, I knew many people who were welfare puppies.
> I have only known a very few who actually deserved some help from the
> taxpayers. My own experience tells me that the system is F***** up. T

Hey Billy,
You have now earned my respect.
Didn't realize you travel in the same circles as welfare recipients.


--
Peter
live and learn

From: tony cooper on
On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:16:19 +0100, Alan LeHun <try(a)reply.to> wrote:

>In article <hqhi98$2se$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
>ntotrr(a)optonline.net says...
>> I am free to use my
>> influence to affect public policy just as you are. Whether I am a religious
>> person or not has no bearing on that.
>>
>>
>
>If you are a religious person, have not effectively signed your
>influence away to the church?
>
>Religion is, after all, simply a means of control.
>
>I agree that certain churches exercise differing amounts of control, and
>some exercise very little, but the point is still valid. A catholic for
>example, could not vote for a candidate standing on a pro abortion
>stance not because they have made up their mind on the issue, but
>because the church has made its mind for them.

You either know nothing about Catholicism or nothing about Catholics.


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Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida