From: Bill Graham on

"Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
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> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Chris Malcolm" <cam(a)holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
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>>> In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Bill Graham <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:hqflub$soh$1(a)ruby.cit.cornell.edu...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:EpSdnde2eMOQ71fWnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> [ The usual stuff about "it's My money, dammit, and no one has
>>>>> a right to ANY of it" excised...]
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yesterday I paid $18 for a 10 inch Pizza.....Eighteen F******
>>>>>> Dollars!! I
>>>>>> don't know how old you are, but my dad only needed 100 grand for a
>>>>>> comfortable retirement.....I needed a million, and my grandchildren
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> need 10 million.....Doesn't that mean anything to you? How much will
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> need? and, How are you going to get it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Gee, I live comfortably on a taxable income of $1700 a year (no, I
>>>>> didn't
>>>>> forget a comma and a zero...;-). I don't crave things I don't need,
>>>>> and
>>>>> I do prefer that some of "my" money be spent for the public good. BTW,
>>>>> I do look around for good pizza, and here the best in town (on
>>>>> sale...)
>>>>> is a large (really...), thick one, made to order with "real"
>>>>> ingredients
>>>>> and
>>>>> not made by one of the pizza chains, and it is $14 and it easily
>>>>> satisfies
>>>>> two
>>>>> people for two meals each (with nothing else needed or wanted with
>>>>> it...).
>>>>> Quit bellyaching about how hard it is to live on what must be a
>>>>> considerable
>>>>> income with SS plus investment income from a million dollars, with no
>>>>> money to spare for those blankitty-blank welfare slackers. Talk about
>>>>> a
>>>>> demonstration of what a "Grinch" is - you do seem to define it as
>>>>> yourself
>>>>> from your own writings here...
>>>>> --DR
>>>>>
>>>> I don't believe your taxable income is only 1700 a year.....What are
>>>> you
>>>> doing with a computer is you make that little? But that's beside the
>>>> point.
>>>> Just because you saved so little, why do you think that everyone should
>>>> save
>>>> so little.
>>>
>>> My taxable pension income isn't much bigger. But that's not because I
>>> saved so little. I saved a lot more. But by the time I came to draw on
>>> it a lot of it had turned by mysteriously legal processes into dust,
>>> ashes, and bankers bonuses.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Malcolm
>>
>> Well, allow me to suggest that your democratic friends Barney Frank,
>> Chris Dodd and a few others had something to do with that.....Certainly
>> it wasn't us greedy Republicans....We never wanted to give home loans to
>> those who couldn't afford to pay them back.
>
>
> Can you say derivatives?
> Amazing, you have actually spouted a "liberal" concept. It's your own
> fault your car was stolen. You left the keys in it.
>
> --
> Peter
The derivatives were a spin-off of the basic problem. People who saw it
coming were making money by gambling on it. It's the original problem that
caused the crash. And that was expecting the real estate market to continue
to rise forever. (nothing rises forever) and making risky loans based on
that stupidity. And the democrats are still encouraging the banks to do
that, and backing them up with my tax dollars.......there is no end to their
stupidity.

From: Bill Graham on

"Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
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> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
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>>> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am saying, and have said several times before, that the people I am
>>>> talking about are not those who are disabled to the extent that they
>>>> find it impossible to work. I never wanted to cut these people
>>>> off.....As a matter of fact, I would like to cut off the other 98% (a
>>>> good statistic) who have all their fingers and toes and mental
>>>> capabilities and could work, but don't, and give this money to those of
>>>> whom you speak who can't work for one reason or another. The people of
>>>> whom I speak, who could work but don't, ate (and have been) subsidized
>>>> by the state of California all of my life...<BS rant snipped>
>>>
>>> And the reliable source for your statistics is?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peter
>> My excellent memory.....Please don't confuse welfare recipients with
>> those on disability.....(although I have issues with the disability funds
>> handling also) My son worked for the state cutting checks for both for
>> around a year, but he worked for Oregon, and not California.
>
>
> I requested a RELIABLE AND VERIFIABLE source.
> Obviously, all you can do is cite bull turds
>
> --
> Peter
If you question my statistics, then prove me wrong. Google is just as
available to you as it is to me. After all, I haven't had to pay a dollar in
taxes (other than property taxes) for the last 5 years, and I doubt if I
will for the rest of my life, so its YOUR money that's at stake here, and
not mine.....Its too late to save any of mine.....:^)

From: Bill Graham on

"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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> On 2010-04-21 08:17:46 -0700, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> said:
>
>>
>> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
>> news:4bccebb7$0$27701$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com...
>>> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:2cGdnYKPS8_3VVbWnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am saying, and have said several times before, that the people I am
>>>> talking about are not those who are disabled to the extent that they
>>>> find it impossible to work. I never wanted to cut these people
>>>> off.....As a matter of fact, I would like to cut off the other 98% (a
>>>> good statistic) who have all their fingers and toes and mental
>>>> capabilities and could work, but don't, and give this money to those of
>>>> whom you speak who can't work for one reason or another. The people of
>>>> whom I speak, who could work but don't, ate (and have been) subsidized
>>>> by the state of California all of my life...<BS rant snipped>
>>>
>>> And the reliable source for your statistics is?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peter
>> My excellent memory.....Please don't confuse welfare recipients with
>> those on disability.....(although I have issues with the disability funds
>> handling also) My son worked for the state cutting checks for both for
>> around a year, but he worked for Oregon, and not California.
>
> Bill, I would not rely on your memory. We already have documented proof
> that you are prepared to accept a 5 to 10 year, in some cases 20 year
> margin of error for historic events, and just state that it doesn't really
> matter to you as long as you are within a year or two.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Savageduck
>
Fine. As I've said above, its your money we are talking about, and not
mine....I haven't had to pay a dime in income taxes for the last 5 years.
So, if you think that your government is only giving your tax dollars to the
truly needy, then be happy about it....Hell, send them some extra money....I
don't care.....But don't ask me to prove that isn't the case. I told you the
truth. If you don't want to learn anything from my experience, then the hell
with you.

From: Bill Graham on

"Chris Malcolm" <cam(a)holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Bill Graham <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>> "Chris Malcolm" <cam(a)holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
>> news:833ph4F5onU3(a)mid.individual.net...
>>> In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Bill Graham <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> "David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:hqflub$soh$1(a)ruby.cit.cornell.edu...
>>>>> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:EpSdnde2eMOQ71fWnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> [ The usual stuff about "it's My money, dammit, and no one has
>>>>> a right to ANY of it" excised...]
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yesterday I paid $18 for a 10 inch Pizza.....Eighteen F******
>>>>>> Dollars!!
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> don't know how old you are, but my dad only needed 100 grand for a
>>>>>> comfortable retirement.....I needed a million, and my grandchildren
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> need 10 million.....Doesn't that mean anything to you? How much will
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> need? and, How are you going to get it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Gee, I live comfortably on a taxable income of $1700 a year (no, I
>>>>> didn't
>>>>> forget a comma and a zero...;-). I don't crave things I don't need,
>>>>> and
>>>>> I do prefer that some of "my" money be spent for the public good. BTW,
>>>>> I do look around for good pizza, and here the best in town (on
>>>>> sale...)
>>>>> is a large (really...), thick one, made to order with "real"
>>>>> ingredients
>>>>> and
>>>>> not made by one of the pizza chains, and it is $14 and it easily
>>>>> satisfies
>>>>> two
>>>>> people for two meals each (with nothing else needed or wanted with
>>>>> it...).
>>>>> Quit bellyaching about how hard it is to live on what must be a
>>>>> considerable
>>>>> income with SS plus investment income from a million dollars, with no
>>>>> money to spare for those blankitty-blank welfare slackers. Talk about
>>>>> a
>>>>> demonstration of what a "Grinch" is - you do seem to define it as
>>>>> yourself
>>>>> from your own writings here...
>>>>> --DR
>>>>>
>>>> I don't believe your taxable income is only 1700 a year.....What are
>>>> you
>>>> doing with a computer is you make that little? But that's beside the
>>>> point.
>>>> Just because you saved so little, why do you think that everyone should
>>>> save
>>>> so little.
>>>
>>> My taxable pension income isn't much bigger. But that's not because I
>>> saved so little. I saved a lot more. But by the time I came to draw on
>>> it a lot of it had turned by mysteriously legal processes into dust,
>>> ashes, and bankers bonuses.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Malcolm
>
>> Well, allow me to suggest that your democratic friends Barney Frank,
>> Chris
>> Dodd and a few others had something to do with that.....Certainly it
>> wasn't
>> us greedy Republicans....We never wanted to give home loans to those who
>> couldn't afford to pay them back.
>
> You seem to be under the misapprehension that I'm a US citizen.
>
> --
> Chris Malcolm

Well, I am. So take it from me. It wasn't the republicans who wanted to give
home loans to people who couldn't afford to have them. It was the democrats,
and they have been getting their way for the last 20 or 30 years of so. They
still haven't learned their lesson....the housing bubble burst over a year
ago, and they still haven't done anything to fix the problem. they are just
spending money like water. Any idiot can tell you that when you are hurting
financially, the last thing you want to do is spend money. but the democrats
are worse than idiots.

From: Ray Fischer on
Peter <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote:
>"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message
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>> Peter <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote:
>>>"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message
>>>> Peter <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote:
>>>>>"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> Peter <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I am curious as to how religion in the US could require someone to
>>>>>>>>>"relinquish choice". There is no mechanism by which a citizen may
>>>>>>>>>cede
>>>>>>>>>his voting rights to another party.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You haven't heard anything of the various cults which demand total
>>>>>>>> obedience of followers and use all manner of coercive techniques to
>>>>>>>> obtain consent, freedom, and property?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Those abusers do not make all organized religions bad. It is an
>>>>>>>example
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>what can easily happen if we lose vigilance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Almost all religions rely upon some form of coercion to ensure a
>>>>>> steady
>>>>>> income. Usually it's by pretending that only the church can "save"
>>>>>> you from damnation, or by claiming that people who do not rely upon
>>>>>> religion are "immoral" or dangerous.
>>>>>
>>>>>You know less about religions than you know about business.
>>>>>In many religions there is no central authority, to which the money
>>>>>flows.
>>>>
>>>> Who said anything about a "central authority"? I referred to religions.
>>>> Is the money that the local priest collects any different from the
>>>> money the "central authority" collects?
>>>
>>>In many cases yes!
>>
>> You're either lying or stupid. Money is money. If you spend $100 on
>> the local priest it matters not in the slightest to you if he gives
>> some of that to some "central authority". You're still out $100.
>
>As I said earlier you know nothing about how churches operate.

You're trying to change the subject.

> You only see

I see another disgusting apologist.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer(a)sonic.net