From: Peter on
"Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
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>> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>
>>> I am saying, and have said several times before, that the people I am
>>> talking about are not those who are disabled to the extent that they
>>> find it impossible to work. I never wanted to cut these people
>>> off.....As a matter of fact, I would like to cut off the other 98% (a
>>> good statistic) who have all their fingers and toes and mental
>>> capabilities and could work, but don't, and give this money to those of
>>> whom you speak who can't work for one reason or another. The people of
>>> whom I speak, who could work but don't, ate (and have been) subsidized
>>> by the state of California all of my life...<BS rant snipped>
>>
>> And the reliable source for your statistics is?
>>
>> --
>> Peter
> My excellent memory.....Please don't confuse welfare recipients with those
> on disability.....(although I have issues with the disability funds
> handling also) My son worked for the state cutting checks for both for
> around a year, but he worked for Oregon, and not California.


I requested a RELIABLE AND VERIFIABLE source.
Obviously, all you can do is cite bull turds

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Peter

From: David Ruether on

"Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Chris Malcolm" <cam(a)holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message news:833p8cF5onU2(a)mid.individual.net...

>> You remind me of an old friend. After living for a year in my home
>> city he told me was fed up with it and going back to London. The
>> reason he gave was that it was a dreadful city, full of unemployed
>> benefit cheats who spent all their time working out how to swindle
>> more money out of the government. I said I hardly knew any benefit
>> cheats. He said yes you do, and named two we both knew. I pointed out
>> to him he had introduced me to them.
>>
>> In other words while he knew loads of benefit cheats, the only ones I
>> knew people he'd introduced me to. So it was clear that the question
>> wasn't why was the city full of benefit cheats. The question was why
>> he knew so many of them :-)

>>> My own experience tells me that the system is F***** up. The
>>> statistics of less than 2% I got from reading about the welfare system in
>>> papers and books....I didn't just pull it out of the air.

>> We have plenty of papers and books that say the same kind of thing
>> about the UK. And political parties too. But we also have official
>> statistics which show that the truth is quite different.
>>
>> How do the official statistics match up with these papers and books
>> you read?
>> --
>> Chris Malcolm

> I believe I already mentioned that fewer than 2% of those on welfare have some disability, either physical or mental. But it
> doesn't matter.....You are either a believer or you aren't, and there is no way I am going to change your mind.

Well, neutral statistics would help (not those gleaned from right-wing
publications with "an ax to grind"...). Show us your sources. ;-)

> I go by my own knowledge and experience.....I "escaped" from California to Oregon 13 years ago.....Now, I can see Oregon rapidly
> becoming another California, and the whole country rapidly becoming another California too.....

Hmmm.... You do know that we are currently in a very deep recession,
one causing wide-spread unemployment (which was basically brought
about by the fol-de-rol on Wall Street permitted by the ever-narrowing
regulation of financial institutions encouraged by the right), no?

> They are talking about adding a Value Added Tax to everything we buy. Our government is desperately grasping at any excuse to get
> more money from us anyway they can, and adding bureaucracy after bureaucracy to spend more and more of our incomes on more and
> more government employees.....I see no end to it, and obviously there is nothing I can possibly do about it,

Oh, it's so sad, that the "govmint" was forced to step in and spend
a huge amount to prevent a financial collapse, an attempt which appears
to have been successful - and guess what? The government has been
collecting a remarkable amount back from the institutions it saved from
destruction! There will be one heck of a lot of debt remaining, even if all
the TARP money were returned, but in times of recession, tax income is
down (with no other changes). If that ill-considered Bush tax break
for the rich were rescinded, the economy recovered, and the government
stopped spending us into debt, as Bush and the 'Bublicans did, that debt
may not seem quite so horrible as it does now as it is whittled away.
Remember that Clinton inherited debt, and left a surplus (it can be done).

> so I am just wasting my time trying to warn others about it. At this stage in my life, (I am 74) the best thing I can do is just
> pursue my hobbies and enjoy what life I have left, and let the next generation lie in whatever bed we have prepared for them. I
> can only hope that my private papers and letters tell them that I did my best to warn them of what was happening so they don't put
> too much of the blame on me.

Or, maybe we will - some of us believe that it is the right that tends to
make foolish short-term decisions, and to not look at the subtleties and
the long term "macro" effects of what they do. But, hey, why not do
something useful with your time to help "those welfare puppies" get off
welfare? Here there are many programs (mostly volunteer) that serve
to help people (I was astonished by the seemingly endless list I found
of these organizations!). Here is a local one a friend just joined --
http://www.learning-web.org. Choose an organization local to you, and
try helping people instead of complaining about them. You may learn
a few things that will challenge your prejudices...

> Not that I believe it will matter after I am gone anyway. I am a godless person, and do not believe in any afterlife. This country
> is only about 250 years old.....I doubt seriously if it will last another 100 years. It is obvious to me that human beings are
> incapable of sustaining a free existence indefinitely.....I guess we are too corrupt, or too lazy, or too uneducated, or all
> three.

Perhaps............ ;-)
--DR


From: Savageduck on
On 2010-04-21 08:17:46 -0700, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> said:

>
> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
> news:4bccebb7$0$27701$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com...
>> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:2cGdnYKPS8_3VVbWnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> I am saying, and have said several times before, that the people I am
>>> talking about are not those who are disabled to the extent that they
>>> find it impossible to work. I never wanted to cut these people
>>> off.....As a matter of fact, I would like to cut off the other 98% (a
>>> good statistic) who have all their fingers and toes and mental
>>> capabilities and could work, but don't, and give this money to those of
>>> whom you speak who can't work for one reason or another. The people of
>>> whom I speak, who could work but don't, ate (and have been) subsidized
>>> by the state of California all of my life...<BS rant snipped>
>>
>> And the reliable source for your statistics is?
>>
>> --
>> Peter
> My excellent memory.....Please don't confuse welfare recipients with
> those on disability.....(although I have issues with the disability
> funds handling also) My son worked for the state cutting checks for
> both for around a year, but he worked for Oregon, and not California.

Bill, I would not rely on your memory. We already have documented proof
that you are prepared to accept a 5 to 10 year, in some cases 20 year
margin of error for historic events, and just state that it doesn't
really matter to you as long as you are within a year or two.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

From: Chris Malcolm on
In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Bill Graham <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote:
> "Chris Malcolm" <cam(a)holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:833ph4F5onU3(a)mid.individual.net...
>> In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Bill Graham <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>>> "David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:hqflub$soh$1(a)ruby.cit.cornell.edu...
>>>> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:EpSdnde2eMOQ71fWnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>
>>>> [ The usual stuff about "it's My money, dammit, and no one has
>>>> a right to ANY of it" excised...]
>>>>
>>>>> Yesterday I paid $18 for a 10 inch Pizza.....Eighteen F****** Dollars!!
>>>>> I
>>>>> don't know how old you are, but my dad only needed 100 grand for a
>>>>> comfortable retirement.....I needed a million, and my grandchildren
>>>>> will
>>>>> need 10 million.....Doesn't that mean anything to you? How much will
>>>>> you
>>>>> need? and, How are you going to get it?
>>>>
>>>> Gee, I live comfortably on a taxable income of $1700 a year (no, I
>>>> didn't
>>>> forget a comma and a zero...;-). I don't crave things I don't need, and
>>>> I do prefer that some of "my" money be spent for the public good. BTW,
>>>> I do look around for good pizza, and here the best in town (on sale...)
>>>> is a large (really...), thick one, made to order with "real" ingredients
>>>> and
>>>> not made by one of the pizza chains, and it is $14 and it easily
>>>> satisfies
>>>> two
>>>> people for two meals each (with nothing else needed or wanted with
>>>> it...).
>>>> Quit bellyaching about how hard it is to live on what must be a
>>>> considerable
>>>> income with SS plus investment income from a million dollars, with no
>>>> money to spare for those blankitty-blank welfare slackers. Talk about a
>>>> demonstration of what a "Grinch" is - you do seem to define it as
>>>> yourself
>>>> from your own writings here...
>>>> --DR
>>>>
>>> I don't believe your taxable income is only 1700 a year.....What are you
>>> doing with a computer is you make that little? But that's beside the
>>> point.
>>> Just because you saved so little, why do you think that everyone should
>>> save
>>> so little.
>>
>> My taxable pension income isn't much bigger. But that's not because I
>> saved so little. I saved a lot more. But by the time I came to draw on
>> it a lot of it had turned by mysteriously legal processes into dust,
>> ashes, and bankers bonuses.
>>
>> --
>> Chris Malcolm

> Well, allow me to suggest that your democratic friends Barney Frank, Chris
> Dodd and a few others had something to do with that.....Certainly it wasn't
> us greedy Republicans....We never wanted to give home loans to those who
> couldn't afford to pay them back.

You seem to be under the misapprehension that I'm a US citizen.

--
Chris Malcolm
From: tony cooper on
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 19:05:51 +0100, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org>
wrote:

>Now we have that straight it is time to repent, recognise your illness
>and come into the Love of the Church..... we love boys like you in the
>church. Especially Alter boys....

What were they before they were altered?


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Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida